The do's and dont''s of my first wall....it seems like something isn't right....

How am I being bitter? I just have the mind set to try new things and see if they work. If it doesn't work I don't have anything to lose because it was all free. I wasn't trying to be bitter by any means. Just open to trying new things. Yes pb is more brittle than mdf, but I figured with the right bracing and enough glue between the layers would help strengthen it. And no papermaker I'm not doing subs on bottom port on top, I'm listening to hispls and I'm putting the port on the drivers side and subs on the passenger side staggered. That was just a thought at first. But like I said I'm listening to you guys' for sure. What I've done so far took me a day and a half to do by myself. It's currently raining it's asss off at the moment. So I'm really hoping it'll quit here in a few. But I highly doubt it. Lol papermaker I counter sunk almost every screw.

 
2 layers is NOT adequate. Possibly on the top piece since it is so small, but you'll want 3 on bottom and sides and 4 on the back and 6 on the baffle. Once you are ready to build the baffle ONLY cut the first sheet and dry-fit it in place, post pics, take measurements and post here so we can give you some input on how it looks before you cut and glue another 5 layers. Once the top, bottom, sides, and back are on you'll have a much better idea of how much volume/area you have to work with and how to finish the baffle.

It is looking much better though.

Looks 1000x times better....but is that particleboard?
Shocker Mike has done a fair bit of SPL testing with particle board. Assuming adequate bracing/thickness WITH RESIN it will perform identical to MDF with resin, without resin is is going to be over 1dB down.

Why do you say that los?.....and yes its particle board, i got about 40 sheets for free, and i was very dissatisfied with my wall so i figured fuuck it, I'll start over and see how well the particle board will hold up. If it does...hell yeah, if it doesnt, oh well, it was free. Who cares what kind of wood it is, as long as it works who fuccking cares?....it'll be painted anyways. And most likely a few layers of some type of resin and some paint.
You will definitely want to plan on coating it with resin (and it will soak it in pretty well by all accounts). Consider doing the top bottom sides and back BEFORE you put up the baffle. Call US Composites for some cheap resin and use a 6" hot dog roller to apply. Have Acetone handy and work in small batches.

I figured with the right bracing and enough glue between the layers would help strengthen it.
You need more layers! Rigid and airtight. 2 layers is going to flex terribly. 3 on the sides top and bottom should be sufficient, use no fewer than 4 on the back and 6 for the baffle (when it comes time). If the wood is free your only cost is a few bucks worth of glue and screws. Internal bracing may cause unwanted turbulence and will certainly make it more difficult for you to climb in the box and wire speakers, seal, paint, etc. I'd much prefer going thick on all walls than skimping out and trying to put a band-aid on it later by turning it into a spider-web of bracing. If you find you still have to brace later, so be it, but you should shoot for having enough strength without. Also, no need for those 2X4s in the corners if you're fitting those pieces snug and planning to resin. It looks rather haphazard. One of the things I most dislike about mine is that I had to use them around the back, but I'm compromising there in order to have the back open up so I can use it for cargo space when needed.

Ignore papermaker. He can't even type a coherent sentence and has yet to post any actual real world builds or results of any consequence.

 
How am I being bitter? I just have the mind set to try new things and see if they work. If it doesn't work I don't have anything to lose because it was all free. I wasn't trying to be bitter by any means. Just open to trying new things. Yes pb is more brittle than mdf, but I figured with the right bracing and enough glue between the layers would help strengthen it. And no papermaker I'm not doing subs on bottom port on top, I'm listening to hispls and I'm putting the port on the drivers side and subs on the passenger side staggered. That was just a thought at first. But like I said I'm listening to you guys' for sure. What I've done so far took me a day and a half to do by myself. It's currently raining it's asss off at the moment. So I'm really hoping it'll quit here in a few. But I highly doubt it. Lol papermaker I counter sunk almost every screw.
when you have no theory to base your work off it's pointless.

 
I understand hispls! I will definitely add more layers. And the only reason I used the 2x6's was for surface area and because I had to obviously build it inside the car. So the 2x6's are what's holding the sides and bottom together. And for bracing. But I completely understand about not needing them since i'll have the added layers. It stopped raining so I'm going to work on it some more. I will upload some pictures here shortly......Oh and I found a website that's really simple and straight to the point for photo uploads...http://www.use.com Since you all have helped me and given me advice throughout my adventure to reach 150+ lmao. Just figured you guy's would appreciate that!

 
Ok so I got the bottom and sides done. What's the best way to secure each piece together? I'm going to use a fair amount of glue on the bottom's of each piece. Should I use the threaded rod to pull everything together?

 
I got the bottom, back,top , and sides together, i did three layers for the bottom and sides, and four layers for the back like you said hispls!.....now im about to coat the inside....i dont have any extra money for the resin you suggested, but i do have a gallon of fiberglass resin i can use.....I'm going to use some fiberglass mat also for added strength in the corners....and to help seal it up better...i will post some updated pictures as soon as i get done with the fiberglass

 
Ok so I got everything done, including the front baffle. I accidentally made the port to long because I wasn't thinking about the baffle being so thick lol.....so I have to cut the port piece down tomorrow. This fu cking box is a god dammn tank! I haven't drove my car yet lol. But I bet It's going to be a huge increase in weight. I'll find out tomorrow. And I plan on taking a few pictures tomorrow during the day so you can see the outcome. I'm extremely pleased with how it turned out for sure! Thank you hispls for helping me through this again lol. I truly appreciate all your help! Do you think i should tune to the subs fs which is 33hz or do you recommend I tune a little higher like 36 or 38? I prefer the high's more. But I figured I'd ask before I cut it lol.



 
Ok so I got everything done, including the front baffle. I accidentally made the port to long because I wasn't thinking about the baffle being so thick lol.....so I have to cut the port piece down tomorrow. This fu cking box is a god dammn tank! I haven't drove my car yet lol. But I bet It's going to be a huge increase in weight. I'll find out tomorrow. And I plan on taking a few pictures tomorrow during the day so you can see the outcome. I'm extremely pleased with how it turned out for sure! Thank you hispls for helping me through this again lol. I truly appreciate all your help! I was only able to make the port 5 inches wide. I ended up with 17.15 cubic feet, 166 square inches of port area, and it's tuned to 33hz. Do you think i should tune to 33hz or do you recommend I tune a little higher like 36 or 38? I prefer the high's more. But I wasn't sure if I should tune to the subs fs.
I'd leave the port at 33hz

 
Do you say that because thats the fs or because 33 is pretty much in the middle between the lows and highs? Im not trying to be a smart @ss about it. I was just curious
U really wouldn't notice a difference from 33 to 36... with the way this thread is your prly way off anyways lol. I like my walls tuned into the 20s and they still play everything

 
Ok so I got the bottom and sides done. What's the best way to secure each piece together? I'm going to use a fair amount of glue on the bottom's of each piece. Should I use the threaded rod to pull everything together?
Glue and screws. Ideally you'd stagger the pieces to overlap (so they look like stairs from the side where they meet). Might could cut some 45 degree strips to put into the edges if you feel the edges aren't solid. Just glue two sheets together and saw some narrow 45 strips to throw into the edges. You could get some steel L pieces from a hardware or building supply store but that turns into money.

I got the bottom, back,top , and sides together, i did three layers for the bottom and sides, and four layers for the back like you said hispls!.....now im about to coat the inside....i dont have any extra money for the resin you suggested, but i do have a gallon of fiberglass resin i can use.....I'm going to use some fiberglass mat also for added strength in the corners....and to help seal it up better...i will post some updated pictures as soon as i get done with the fiberglass
If you have resin use what you've got. I mentioned US Composites since they're good to work with and have "budget" priced resin for a fair price if you don't need pretty.

Before you actually build the baffle you might consider getting enough MDF to do the top (layer you'll see) with that. Particle board/OSB/whatever the f*ck you're using will leave a rough face that'll look ugly even painted. so find something that you can get nice and smooth for the layer you'll have to look at.

Sorry for the shittty lighting....i only had my head lamp lol....but the port is 8 inches wide
Can you pencil in where the subs will mount? That's looking pretty good. Remember, you will get a dramatic difference in output and frequency response when you seal off the sides of the box to the edge of the vehicle. You must not cut corners on that part!

Ok so I got everything done, including the front baffle. I accidentally made the port to long because I wasn't thinking about the baffle being so thick lol.....so I have to cut the port piece down tomorrow. This fu cking box is a god dammn tank! I haven't drove my car yet lol. But I bet It's going to be a huge increase in weight. I'll find out tomorrow. And I plan on taking a few pictures tomorrow during the day so you can see the outcome. I'm extremely pleased with how it turned out for sure! Thank you hispls for helping me through this again lol. I truly appreciate all your help! Do you think i should tune to the subs fs which is 33hz or do you recommend I tune a little higher like 36 or 38? I prefer the high's more. But I figured I'd ask before I cut it lol.

As I've said again and again, you'll have a far easier time tuning lower than higher if you don't like it when you actually get everything hooked up. Building interchangeable inserts for the port or simply stacking 2x4s along the back (like that picture I drew you before) to adjust port depth. I'd aim for 38 and tune down from there as needed, but that's personal preference and leans towards the subs I use. Your subs don't have OEM softparts IIRC so who knows how they'll perform? Guess and test is the best you can hope for, but again, making things smaller is a whole lot easier than making them bigger when you get to the tweaking part.

Do you say that because thats the fs or because 33 is pretty much in the middle between the lows and highs? Im not trying to be a smart @ss about it. I was just curious
He likes low tuning, though I'd also say that you're probably going to be off from what you think it's going to be and 3hz difference in tuning is about the absolute minimum where you'll even notice the difference playing music.

Do please take your time. Don't rush. We all want to see you hit your goals here and if you start rushing or half arsing now you're going to make a careless mistake and blow up your amp again or put yourself in the position where you're in there on a rampage with the sawzall cutting it down again.

 
Lol everything has went smooth for the most part. I got them in finally. I still have to seal off the back from the front. I'm going to do that tomorrow. I got them wired up. But I haven't tested them yet. I'm going to wait till I seal it off properly this time.

 
Ok so I went ahead and tested them a little bit. They're loud dont get me wrong. But there's no way i'll be able to make the two louder than all three. I can already tell. And I highly doubt I'll be getting any beefier 18's anytime soon. I think I might tear it down and redo it. Except I'm going to try and have someone design something for me. If I had better one's like some psi platform 5 18's then yeah I'd definitely be able to get considerably louder with just the two. But not with these meso's

 
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Ok so I went ahead and tested them a little bit. They're loud dont get me wrong. But there's no way i'll be able to make the two louder than all three. I can already tell. And I highly doubt I'll be getting any beefier 18's anytime soon. I think I might tear it down and redo it. But this time i'm going to sit down and measure every inch and draw everything out. Actually i'm going to use sketchup cause I figured out how to design a box finally lol. If I had better one's like some psi platform 5 18's then yeah I'd definitely be able to get considerably louder with just the two. But not with these meso's

Pictures? Video of it playing? Also draw out your box (with dimensions) on a piece of paper and post a pic or post dimensions of box and port.

You may gain as much as 2-4dB from sealing the front properly and it should change your overall response. Also you have no idea where it's tuned until you measure or meter and you haven't even begun to experiment with tuning.

If you have (finally) build a solid proper wall, don't tear it down please, you just need to test and tweak from here then upgrade subs down the road when your budget permits.

 
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