The do's and dont''s of my first wall....it seems like something isn't right....

I just remembered that he's not 30 minutes from me. I completely forgot he was in springfield which is 4 hours from me. But there's a car audio shop in the next town over. The one's that said I couldn't meter because I have a brazillian amp. I'm gonna go there here in about an hour and hopefully they'll let me meter. I will update here in a few hours and let you guys know what happens! I'm really excited to finally figure out where I'm at number wise.....and I think im going to shrink the box a little more. Right now I'm at 30 cubes roughly. I'm going to shrink it down to about 20 cubes and see how they do. I think the box is to big right now. Especially since i'm pushing roughly 6k-7k to them. After box rise and voltage drop. But yeah these meso's seem like they need a little bit smaller box. But i'm not going to shrink it till after I go get metered here in a little bit. That way I can see the difference

 
So I shrank it by about 6 inches.....and I didn't account for the double layers in torres. So I recalculated everything and it ended up being about 18 cubes with a tuning of 60hz.....it sounded like complete shhit....so I have to make it bigger again.....I hate this shhit, building and rebuilding and building again. It's pretty dammn irritating. Sorry had to bbitch for a minute. But yeah one of the subs sounds like plastic is slapping. The sub looks fine. cosmetically. Maybe it could be part of the spider that came unglued? I'm going to check.

 
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Just a thought........sell the one that is having issues and use whatever you can get for it for a real box plan by a designer and get some real wood and stop cheating out on the box. You should be doing 150+ all day but seem down right determined to make this hard as possible on your self and keep redoing it. Slow down and do it right and be done. Two 18s will be just as loud if not louder than what you have now if in a properly designed box. If you would've ate the few $ and payed someone to design a wall in the first place you would've been done 50 pages ago. Also I've never heard of somewhere or metering because it's Brazilian or because they don't think it's worthy. Sounds to me as if either a) you just don't want to take it to the shop and see or b) you've irritated them. Shop around here as long as you give them a few $ they will meter xpolds on a boss amp for all they care. Just slow down and do it right. Stop wasting your time and money.

 
If all else fails and you rage quit I'll cover shipping and give them a good home //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif but really I think two and the taramps with the gain set conservatively should be still doing 150s.

 
I completely agree hertz mafia and lbetts....I don't mind paying the money for a proper design. I just didn't think a wall could be designed because of the contours of each car is different. Lmao lbetts, So another update, as of last night I tore the whole thing out. I was very very unhappy with the way it looked and the way it sounded. So I said fuuck it I'm going to start over again. Is cscstang still doing designs at the moment? I thought I read on someone else's thread that he wasn't doing designs at the moment? If he isn't who is someone else I can talk to about doing a design for me? I've only known of cscstang. I was thinking I should be doing about 155. And no lbetts I didn't irritate them at all. I've only talked to the shop twice about getting metered. And fuuck no i definitely want to get it metered lol. Well after I rebuild it again now. I've always wanted to get metered.

 
I completely agree hertz mafia and lbetts....I don't mind paying the money for a proper design. I just didn't think a wall could be designed because of the contours of each car is different. Lmao lbetts, So another update, as of last night I tore the whole thing out. I was very very unhappy with the way it looked and the way it sounded. So I said fuuck it I'm going to start over again. Is cscstang still doing designs at the moment? I thought I read on someone else's thread that he wasn't doing designs at the moment? If he isn't who is someone else I can talk to about doing a design for me? I've only known of cscstang. I was thinking I should be doing about 155. And no lbetts I didn't irritate them at all. I've only talked to the shop twice about getting metered. And fuuck no i definitely want to get it metered lol. Well after I rebuild it again now. I've always wanted to get metered.

A 155db is hard to do. Lol. My guess is your doing a 149.9db

 
out of curiosity hertz mafia, what does your four sundown's meter at? Was just wondering lol. I've sat in a crx with two team rf 15's on 4k each doing 156 and the needle on the rpm gauge was jumping from 0 to 7 and I couldn't breath. I had to have him turn it down and he said it was only turned up about a quarter of the way. But I know that crx's are stupid simple to get loud in. But still. Two 15's.....then again they do have the tc 4hp motors. Which I know makes a HUGE difference. Cause I know they take 4 inch coils. And mine are only 3 inch. And yeah hertz mafia your probably right about me doing 149.9. Cause I can still breath and see when I'm driving lmao.

 
out of curiosity hertz mafia, what does your four sundown's meter at? Was just wondering lol. I've sat in a crx with two team rf 15's on 4k each doing 156 and the needle on the rpm gauge was jumping from 0 to 7 and I couldn't breath. I had to have him turn it down and he said it was only turned up about a quarter of the way. But I know that crx's are stupid simple to get loud in. But still. Two 15's.....then again they do have the tc 4hp motors. Which I know makes a HUGE difference. Cause I know they take 4 inch coils. And mine are only 3 inch. And yeah hertz mafia your probably right about me doing 149.9. Cause I can still breath and see when I'm driving lmao.
It does right at a 157db on music and my highest is a 158.6db... 3" coil get louder then 4" coils most likely

 
I just remembered that he's not 30 minutes from me. I completely forgot he was in springfield which is 4 hours from me. But there's a car audio shop in the next town over. The one's that said I couldn't meter because I have a brazillian amp. I'm gonna go there here in about an hour and hopefully they'll let me meter. I will update here in a few hours and let you guys know what happens! I'm really excited to finally figure out where I'm at number wise.....and I think im going to shrink the box a little more. Right now I'm at 30 cubes roughly. I'm going to shrink it down to about 20 cubes and see how they do. I think the box is to big right now. Especially since i'm pushing roughly 6k-7k to them. After box rise and voltage drop. But yeah these meso's seem like they need a little bit smaller box. But i'm not going to shrink it till after I go get metered here in a little bit. That way I can see the difference
tell them they are stupid. there is nothing about the brazillians that cannot be measured. just because they cant don't mean that it can't be done.

 
Wow! that's bad a ss! Is it hard to get to 153? Or just 155? Just from your experiences do you think i'm capable of achieving 155 with the right box design? Or would I likely need four to do that? Oh and how many watts are you pushing to your sundown's hertz mafia?

 
Wow! that's bad a ss! Is it hard to get to 153? Or just 155? Just from your experiences do you think i'm capable of achieving 155 with the right box design? Or would I likely need four to do that? Oh and how many watts are you pushing to your sundown's hertz mafia?
It's had to get over a 150db. I only got a 7k amp right now wired down to .33ohm

 
Op Are we talking sealed on the dash numbers?? Door open on the dash numbers?? Or door open kick numbers??.....sealed on the dash numbers are the hardest to achieve out of the 3....for instance my 2 18 setup does a 156.2 sealed on the dash but does a 158.7 dash door open and 159.8 in the kick door open

 
god dammn!....yeah I'm definitely doing something wrong for sure. mrj what are you running? And door open on the dash. Ok so I'm going to listen to you guys and I'm going to try running just two of them and be very conservative on the gain. What do you guys recommend for cubic feet? My dimensions are 42x35x28.....with those dimensions I can make a simple box with no weird angles. That puts me at 18 cubes, I was going to put them at the bottom and have a huge port going across the top. I need some opinions and idea's please

 
After box rise and voltage drop.
You have never measured any of this so this is pure conjecture.

If u can follow the cut design you should have a nice box.
That's where this whole thing started. He bought (what we assume should be) a decent design from somebody and half arsed everything along the way from too few layers to not sealing properly.

Just a thought........sell the one that is having issues and use whatever you can get for it for a real box plan by a designer and get some real wood and stop cheating out on the box. You should be doing 150+ all day but seem down right determined to make this hard as possible on your self and keep redoing it. Slow down and do it right and be done. Two 18s will be just as loud if not louder than what you have now if in a properly designed box. If you would've ate the few $ and payed someone to design a wall in the first place you would've been done 50 pages ago. Also I've never heard of somewhere or metering because it's Brazilian or because they don't think it's worthy. Sounds to me as if either a) you just don't want to take it to the shop and see or b) you've irritated them. Shop around here as long as you give them a few $ they will meter xpolds on a boss amp for all they care. Just slow down and do it right. Stop wasting your time and money.
I was saying 2 18's from the get go, but read my previous reply (or the entire thread if you can stomach it). His initial fiasco was his attempt to build a design someone else sold him and was half arsed all around. Craig Butler could hand him a design and he won't get loud if he doesn't build it solid and airtight and take time to properly seal it off from the rear.

coil get louder then 4" coils most likely
All things equal this is typically true. The extra power the 4" coil can take is pretty much what you need to overcome the inefficiency of the larger coil. All things being equal 3" coil should edge out, that's why Warden DD-Z and similar still use them for their SPL subs. That said, who knows what quality steel, magnet, parts, and design CT uses? A sub that looks beefy could always be poorly designed or use inferior materials and be utter crap. Though in this case, I don't think the subs are the weak link here.

It's had to get over a 150db. I only got a 7k amp right now wired down to .33ohm
Hopefully this means you sorted out your financial issues without having to give up all your audioz. That hurts even to think about.

god dammn!....yeah I'm definitely doing something wrong for sure. mrj what are you running? And door open on the dash. Ok so I'm going to listen to you guys and I'm going to try running just two of them and be very conservative on the gain. What do you guys recommend for cubic feet? My dimensions are 42x35x28.....with those dimensions I can make a simple box with no weird angles. That puts me at 18 cubes, I was going to put them at the bottom and have a huge port going across the top. I need some opinions and idea's please
Back to square one? OK. Plan for port on the driver's side, use as much airspace as you can (keeping all right angles), and as much port area as you can. Do all sides 3 layers, baffle 6 layers and TAKE YOUR TIME making sure everything is rigid, airtight (not with foam, with straight cuts, glue, and fasteners), and then take your time COMPLETELY sealing off the front from the rear.

You can very easily shrink the box or port as needed after everything is solid and upgrade to some chunkier 18s down the road if you like.



This guy got great results with some SoundQubed hdc3s which are about as power limited as your subs. The black you see around the port is an insert for music which he takes in and out for burps or playing music. His build log is on SMD forum somewhere and should be instructive.

The ONLY reason you should consider top port would be if you want to compete in an org that meters at the kick.

 
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