SSA Zcon 12”s

[Evyn1]

I have two SSA Zcon 12.

Question:

Was wondering what volume I should use for a single Zcon 12”?


Currently I’m using my DD712 enclosure:
2.72 cubes.
33HZ.
6” Round port.

Was thinking 4 cubes.

I’m going MDF on my next ports so it can handle more pressure!

I try to go screwless on everything so I don’t have to deal with screws looks messy with the sealant adhesive! But sounds great (the first time) with no further issues.

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[Doxquzme Premium Member]

Wtf?

 

[Doxquzme Premium Member]

Okay, now that I'm over the shock.. Manufacturer recommends the following:

Ported

1.75-2.5ft^3 @ 31-37hz

Optimal

Ported Optimal

2.5-3.25ft^3 @ 31-37hz

I'd say you're already within spec and probably won't realize a significant difference

But... just in case

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Maybe you should really consider just getting use to screwing things - up, if you continue to mount your drivers that way. Nothing good can come from it.

Something like these with matching bolts.

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[Doxquzme Premium Member]

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Exactly.

 

[Evyn1]

Thanks but I don’t care how it looks just care how it sounds!

Gonna use (2) Zcon 12s 3.2 cubes each. With each Slotted MDF.

Then gotta use bigger Amp and alternator to push the Amp.

Question what size Amp for 2500 RMS X (2)?

Plus the DD9518”?

My guess is not my DD1500A?

Or should I get a DD DSP to push the DD1500A with wide open gain?

 

[Doxquzme Premium Member]

Thanks but I don’t care how it looks just care how it sounds!

Gonna use (2) Zcon 12s 3.2 cubes each. With each Slotted MDF.

Then gotta use bigger Amp and alternator to push the Amp.

Question what size Amp for 2500 RMS X (2)?

Plus the DD9518”?

My guess is not my DD1500A?

Or should I get a DD DSP to push the DD1500A with wide open gain?

Don't take the jabs personally, lol, It's not about looks either, there IS a correct way to install ones drivers, glue is simply not it. The glue you are using is flexible, even if that is marginal, it's not acceptable.

It's like buying a 2023 Corvette C8 Z06 and putting Wal-Mart's tires on it, not a good fit. Additionally, if you are serious about feeding them a several thousand watts, you might end up getting your head smashed in by a flying woofer at some point - may want to see if your car insurance covers accidental death by woofer!

There are probably 10+ 4000-5000 watt amplifiers that I can think of that would work.

What is your electrical like?

Do you have a budget for the amp?

 

[Evyn1]

Don't take the jabs personally, lol, It's not about looks either, there IS a correct way to install ones drivers, glue is simply not it. The glue you are using is flexible, even if that is marginal, it's not acceptable.

It's like buying a 2023 Corvette C8 Z06 and putting Wal-Mart's tires on it, not a good fit. Additionally, if you are serious about feeding them a several thousand watts, you might end up getting your head smashed in by a flying woofer at some point - may want to see if your car insurance covers accidental death by woofer!

There are probably 10+ 4000-5000 watt amplifiers that I can think of that would work.

What is your electrical like?

Do you have a budget for the amp?

To tell the truth I haven’t used the inserts so I was comparing it to wood screws.

The sealant adhesive is “locktite premium” and it’s arguably the best. This sealant won the strength experiment on YouTube using weight lifting. This ain’t gonna be the common assumption in a car accident.

I’m going to do the screws 100% with inserts and an additional 3/4 MDF.



*This is not the Zcon enclosure. This was an experiment that sounds really impressive for a single 12.

The dual Zcon 12S MDF Slotted will be the real Zcon enclosure!

I’ll be using software to build it! So I’m only doing glue gotta incorporate the wood frame into the cubes.
Slot Tune : 33HZ - 3.2 Cubez.

 

[Evyn1]

The Amp will take some shopping but I trust brands: DD, Sundown, SSA.

 

[Doxquzme Premium Member]

To tell the truth I haven’t used the inserts so I was comparing it to wood screws.

The sealant adhesive is “locktite premium” and it’s arguably the best. This sealant won the strength experiment on YouTube using weight lifting. This ain’t gonna be the common assumption in a car accident.

I’m going to do the screws 100% with inserts and an additional 3/4 MDF.



*This is not the Zcon enclosure. This was an experiment that sounds really impressive for a single 12.

The dual Zcon 12S MDF Slotted will be the real Zcon enclosure!

I’ll be using software to build it! So I’m only doing glue gotta incorporate the wood frame into the cubes.
Slot Tune : 33HZ - 3.2 Cubez.

I always do a dry run. put the bolts through the woofer hols and make sure the holes are lined up, then take the woofer out, mount the t-nuts on the underside then tighten them up until the teeth are partially in. That way you don't strip them trying to get them to dig into the MDF which is pretty tuff/hard stuff. Once they are partially seated, I remove the bolt and use pole style wood clamps to compress them the rest of the way into MDF, a bit of work but then thy stay and the threads are good! Be sure to drill the holes the correct size so that the teeth don't spin on you.

As for amplifiers, totally a personal choice.

SSA only has one that puts out more than 2200 watts

ZC6000.1

ZC6000.1 1600W RMS Mono Block Introducing the all new SSA ZC6000.1 amplifier. Kicking off the new Zcon premium mono block amplifier line up, the ZC6000.1 i

www.ssaudio.com

Syndown Salt is a really nice amp (not owned it but has a good reputation)

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You can also bridge a pair of these for about $400

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DD Audio

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Then there are Brazilian (manufactured in) amps too

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Korean Brands/models/lines that I have personal experience with and that I like as well.

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[denim 5,000+ posts]

I trust SSA too.

 

[denim 5,000+ posts]

The Amp will take some shopping but I trust brands: DD, Sundown, SSA.

Agreed.

 

[denim 5,000+ posts]

I always do a dry run. put the bolts through the woofer hols and make sure the holes are lined up, then take the woofer out, mount the t-nuts on the underside then tighten them up until the teeth are partially in. That way you don't strip them trying to get them to dig into the MDF which is pretty tuff/hard stuff. Once they are partially seated, I remove the bolt and use pole style wood clamps to compress them the rest of the way into MDF, a bit of work but then thy stay and the threads are good! Be sure to drill the holes the correct size so that the teeth don't spin on you.

As for amplifiers, totally a personal choice.

SSA only has one that puts out more than 2200 watts

ZC6000.1

ZC6000.1 1600W RMS Mono Block Introducing the all new SSA ZC6000.1 amplifier. Kicking off the new Zcon premium mono block amplifier line up, the ZC6000.1 i

www.ssaudio.com

Syndown Salt is a really nice amp (not owned it but has a good reputation)

Sundown Car Audio 4000W 1 Ohm Class D Monoblock Amplifier w/ Bass Control SALT-4

Digital Class-D Amp With Dual Power Supply Sleek Look That Has a 180 Degree Variable Phase Shift Variable Bass Boost with Subsonic and Low pass Filters Wired Remote Control with Voltage & Temperature Display and Clipping Indicator Dimensions : 22.05” L x 8.67” W x 2.80” H Sundown Car Audio 4000W...

bigjeffaudio.com

You can also bridge a pair of these for about $400

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BN2JLBQ6/?tag=caraudiocom-20

DD Audio

DD AUDIO M5000 MONOBLOCK CAR DYNAMIC 7000W SUBWOOFERS BASS 1-OHM AMPLIFIER NEW | eBay

M5000 - DD Audio Digital Designs Monoblock 5000W RMS Amplifier. DD AUDIO continues to redefine the venerable M Series with revisions that greatly improve power and efficiency without increasing unit size.

www.ebay.com

Then there are Brazilian (manufactured in) amps too

Taramp's Smart 5 BASS 5000W Mono Channel Amplifier for sale online | eBay

Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for Taramp's Smart 5 BASS 5000W Mono Channel Amplifier at the best online prices at eBay! Free shipping for many products!

www.ebay.com

Soundigital 5000.1 EVO 5 - 2 Ohms Digital Amplifier 5000 Watts Rms Free Shipping | eBay

Soundigital SD5000.1 - 2 Ohms EVO 5 5000W. • Power @ 12.6V @ 2Ohms: 1 x 5000 W RMS. • 01 SoundDigital Module 5000.1 EVO 5 - 2 Ohms. • Power @ 12.6V @ 4Ohms: 1 x 3300 W RMS. • Power @ 14.4V @ 2Ohms: 1 x 5575 W RMS.

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Korean Brands/models/lines that I have personal experience with and that I like as well.

https://www.sonicelectronix.com/item-197032-DS18-H-KO5.html?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=PLA&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaignid=20361942152&utm_matchtype=&utm_keyword=&utm_device=c&utm_content=&utm_devicemodel=&utm_network=x&utm_loc_physical_ms=9029596&utm_loc_interest_ms=&utm_placement=&utm_adposition=&gclid=CjwKCAiAzJOtBhALEiwAtwj8tvun7rOowpe_7UuYeRnIi6F3WxAAUJ7V1JrrAQ8KexA6XJi5-uhFlRoCM0gQAvD_BwE

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DS18 HOOLIGAN H-KO8. The DS18 H-KO8 amplifier is a high-performance, Korean-made powerhouse that's perfect for bassheads who demand the best performance from their car audio system. With a maximum power output that's actually underrated, the H-KO8 is capable of driving even the most demanding...

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That ZC6000 is a monster of an amp.

 

[Old_Slapper]

I have two SSA Zcon 12.

Question:

Was wondering what volume I should use for a single Zcon 12”?


Currently I’m using my DD712 enclosure:
2.72 cubes.
33HZ.
6” Round port.

Was thinking 4 cubes.

I’m going MDF on my next ports so it can handle more pressure!

I try to go screwless on everything so I don’t have to deal with screws looks messy with the sealant adhesive! But sounds great (the first time) with no further issues.
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I'm guessing you pray you never blow the sub? When adding more power to it, you might have an issue with it coming unglued. You ever thought of designing a clamping system?

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

Thanks but I don’t care how it looks just care how it sounds!

Gonna use (2) Zcon 12s 3.2 cubes each. With each Slotted MDF.

Then gotta use bigger Amp and alternator to push the Amp.

Question what size Amp for 2500 RMS X (2)?

Plus the DD9518”?

My guess is not my DD1500A?

Or should I get a DD DSP to push the DD1500A with wide open gain?

What kind of music do you listen to?

I trust SSA too.

I'm a fan of SSA's subs quite a bit. Everyone I designed for really liked their SSA's, and I do like their design style, sort of the overall woofer theory style used, as I see it. The guys at SSA are super cool, too, from my experience.