SQL sub in 1300-2000 daily

[Chipmunk2k3 10+ year member]

OP I would look into getting a pair of ICON's if you want to run 2k. They are essentially just a beefed out version of the DCON

X 2 I'm addicted to my Icon's. Haven't heard the new Xcon's yet but if they're any better than the Icon my spidey senses say that should be your choice.

 

[pimpnyou204 10+ year member]

X 2 I'm addicted to my Icon's. Haven't heard the new Xcon's yet but if they're any better than the Icon my spidey senses say that should be your choice.

If i was going to go ssd i would def go with the xcon since it can handle exactly what my amp is rated at. So hopefully they dont lose much sq going up another line.

Also added a pole if every would take a vote or add another option //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[hispls 5,000+ posts]

For the most part subs rated to take a ton of power use a bunch of spiders and a big motor. They will tend to be peaky by design. People who are serious about SQ don't normally throw more than 600W at sub-stage... FYI.

For a single sub that'll really handle 2KW daily and sound good Eclipse Ti or TC LMS 5400 come to mind as subs known to handle a ton of power and sound good. Really a 3" coil will fail over 1200W it's just a matter of time. Good one will last hours on music continuous, poor ones will last only minutes.

Of course whatever you do cabin gain and box design will be dominant factors as well. Personally I'd consider 2 12's over a single 15 if I had that space and power as constraints.

 

[Kangaroux 5,000+ posts]

OP not sure what kind of amp you're running (too lazy to read through the thread to see if you mentioned it...) but there is a 12" xcon in the classifieds right now that is going for pretty cheap ($210 + shipping)

http://www.caraudio.com/forums/subwoofer-classifieds/517307-1-ssa-xcon-12-w-dual-1-ohm-coils-1750-watts-rms.html

 

[pimpnyou204 10+ year member]

For the most part subs rated to take a ton of power use a bunch of spiders and a big motor. They will tend to be peaky by design. People who are serious about SQ don't normally throw more than 600W at sub-stage... FYI.
For a single sub that'll really handle 2KW daily and sound good Eclipse Ti or TC LMS 5400 come to mind as subs known to handle a ton of power and sound good. Really a 3" coil will fail over 1200W it's just a matter of time. Good one will last hours on music continuous, poor ones will last only minutes.

Of course whatever you do cabin gain and box design will be dominant factors as well. Personally I'd consider 2 12's over a single 15 if I had that space and power as constraints.

Oh i def know what you mean. Ive not competed or metered yet but i have been to quite a few comps and heard some set ups and generally the louder cars personally sound like crap its muffled and the serious ones... well are just plain too loud to ride daily in.

I cant fit a 15 at all so im stuck to 2 12s or even 3 10s. I really am considering running 2 xcon 12s or just going with 3 idmax 10s. From what i hear the idmax is an awesome sq sub and with 3 i could split my watts and get a 1.36 ohm load and pretty much give them exactly the rms and a slight bit more and run them in a very sq state instead of over feeding them like i probably would do if i had the idmax as 2 12s.

Thoughts on

3 idmax 10s

or

2 xcon 12

 

[pimpnyou204 10+ year member]

OP not sure what kind of amp you're running (too lazy to read through the thread to see if you mentioned it...) but there is a 12" xcon in the classifieds right now that is going for pretty cheap ($210 + shipping)
http://www.caraudio.com/forums/subwoofer-classifieds/517307-1-ssa-xcon-12-w-dual-1-ohm-coils-1750-watts-rms.html

Yea i seen that its an older version though. I would have to try and match them but most likely id wind up having to buy the second new and i dont think the ohms match up exactly and that would be an issue.

I currently have an AQ 3500.1D

 

[hispls 5,000+ posts]

Oh i def know what you mean. Ive not competed or metered yet but i have been to quite a few comps and heard some set ups and generally the louder cars personally sound like crap its muffled and the serious ones... well are just plain too loud to ride daily in.
I cant fit a 15 at all so im stuck to 2 12s or even 3 10s. I really am considering running 2 xcon 12s or just going with 3 idmax 10s. From what i hear the idmax is an awesome sq sub and with 3 i could split my watts and get a 1.36 ohm load and pretty much give them exactly the rms and a slight bit more and run them in a very sq state instead of over feeding them like i probably would do if i had the idmax as 2 12s.

Thoughts on

3 idmax 10s

or

2 xcon 12

I think you'd be happy either way. Both are well built drivers and cone area and power handling would be really close both ways.... Flip a coin or go with whichever company you get the best vibe from or who treats you better, or if you can pick up one or two used.

 

[pimpnyou204 10+ year member]

I think you'd be happy either way. Both are well built drivers and cone area and power handling would be really close both ways.... Flip a coin or go with whichever company you get the best vibe from or who treats you better, or if you can pick up one or two used.

Yup plus another negative would be with 3 subs id have a weird wiring..

Dual-2 Ohm Subwoofers: 1.33 Ohms

Dual-4 Ohm Subwoofers: 0.67 Ohm

1.33 wouldnt be much pretty much half of what the 1 ohm and 2 ohm rating is correct? With .67 I wouldnt have my gain up much and assuming i ran it at that how would my electrial be because i wouldnt be running it hard. check sig with 2 deka 8a31.

 

[boomzabit 10+ year member]

Im not of much help, but if you find a used Adire Audio Brahma buy it! I am still amazed by this woofer. For a single 12 it gets pretty loud and low and sounds **** good doing it.

 

[denim 5,000+ posts]

Xcon = //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

Everyone uses a term of which no one knows what it stands for. Thats interesting.

It covers too broad a range to really mean anything specific. I originally used it when I got back into the scene, but quickly realized that it means nothing. Any sub out there could be a "sql" sub, depending on the listener.

Now using the terms, Accurate, and Meter's High, have merit. They can be measured. Loud and Sounds Good is subjective to the listener.

These 'SQL' arguments are silly. SQL "covers too broad a range" to mean anything specific, but being 'accurate' or metering 'high' is specific? How high does it take to be called metering 'high'? How are you defining accuracy?

One person's definition of metering 'high' can and many times is quite different than someone elses. And at what frequency? Flat across the sub's usable bandwidth, or just at one burp frequency?

As for accuracy, as you defining it merely by a BL curve? If not, how are you measuring accuracy, timbre, transient response, etc?

In other words, even your descriptors eventually come down to subjectivity. Im not trying to be argumentative, but when someone here says SQL, its generally an understood term. So I think its a worthy term.

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

SQ is defined through an RTA meter.

Accuracy can come down to a lack of distortion, acoustical characteristics like transient response and timbre, etc. But no matter how you define it, an RTA does not measure any of those things. An RTA measures frequency amplitude, which is as much or more a function of the install, processing, and environment than it is the raw driver reproducing the reference material.

 

[ramos 5,000+ posts]

SQ is defined through an RTA meter.

How so? Theoretically a perfectly flat response would be ideal, and surprisingly isn't that hard to achieve. Listening to said flat response however is anything but ideal. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[ramos 5,000+ posts]

Far too much thought goes into a driver that will play less than an octave when all is said and done. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[TheUnderFighter 10+ year member]

Audioholic is dropping pwnage bombs...

And OP your electrical should be ok at .67, you've got it backed up pretty well, especially with the gains down. However, from what I've read and heard, you'll be thoroughly pleased with either set-up. I'd simply go for whichever you can find the best deal on.