SQ and rap?

[hardhitta47 10+ year member]

I'm gonna be honest...I don't really give a shit about lyrics all that much. Also, I can't stand most of the 'hip-hop' rappers. I like gangsta rap and I like a lot of bass. I do listen to violent lyrics. It entertains me, that's all. Rappers are liars. They say shit that they don't actually do in real life. I don't care about that. It's entertainment. But what do lyrics, whether 'poetic' or not, have to do with sq?

I also enjoy watching action and horror movies, even when there's not much to them. It's just entertaining and I enjoy them, but at the same time I do have enough taste to appreciate a really good movie. I do have an ear for sq, as I've sat in a few sq guys' cars and it wasn't hard for me to realize or appreciate the sound and imaging and all that of a well put together sq system. If I get a chance to hear an sq guy's system, I will compliment them on how good it sounds. And as I said before, rap also sounds good in an sq setup.

Most who listen to mainly rap, though, don't exactly aim for sq when setting up their system. I will give you that.

 

[m3rK201 10+ year member]

audiobahn + rap music = head ache //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/sick.gif.b1847c8dabbfeeddbcf1a78052249e10.gif

Re xxx + rap music = Head ache in good way //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/thumbsup.gif.3287b36ca96645a13a43aff531f37f02.gif

Rap hip hop.. the devils music what ever u want to call it.. Still needs sq..

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

I'm gonna be honest...I don't really give a shit about lyrics all that much. Also, I can't stand most of the 'hip-hop' rappers. I like gangsta rap and I like a lot of bass. I do listen to violent lyrics. It entertains me, that's all. Rappers are liars. They say shit that they don't actually do in real life. I don't care about that. It's entertainment. But what do lyrics, whether 'poetic' or not, have to do with sq?
I also enjoy watching action and horror movies, even when there's not much to them. It's just entertaining and I enjoy them, but at the same time I do have enough taste to appreciate a really good movie. I do have an ear for sq, as I've sat in a few sq guys' cars and it wasn't hard for me to realize or appreciate the sound and imaging and all that of a well put together sq system. If I get a chance to hear an sq guy's system, I will compliment them on how good it sounds. And as I said before, rap also sounds good in an sq setup.

Most who listen to mainly rap, though, don't exactly aim for sq when setting up their system. I will give you that.

Poetic lyrics have nothing to do with SQ. That was only brought up because people are trying to convince us they only listen to rap for the lyrics, not the music/beat/etc. Lyrics with no music... is called peotry. But how many of these rappers are gonna read poetry? Obviously there's more to it than the words, and those people are fooling themselves.

There's nothing wrong with liking rap for the heavy bass lines. Hell, I do, for that reason. But I dont go pretending Im in it for the quality acoustical sound either.

"Most who listen to mainly rap, though, don't exactly aim for sq when setting up their system. I will give you that"

That's my point exactly. If 'most' rap fans aren't in it for the SQ, we can pretty much agree the 'stereotype' that rap cares little for SQ is a fair statement. Are there exceptioons? Yes. But you cant argue against a stereotype when it generally fits.

I like alot of rap, you wont find me arguing Im working on acoustical superiority when Im bumping it down the road. I listen to rock n roll, you wont hear me arguing its a genre about love ballads either. If the stereotype fits, wear it. Big deal, ther'es bigger things in life to worry about than you getting your 'SQ respect' over your music preference. You are fighting a losing battle.

Cheers. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[m3rK201 10+ year member]

"Most who listen to mainly rap, though, don't exactly aim for sq when setting up their system. I will give you that"

That's my point exactly. If 'most' rap fans aren't in it for the SQ, we can pretty much agree the 'stereotype' that rap cares little for SQ is a fair statement. Are there exceptioons? Yes. But you cant argue against a stereotype when it generally fits.

X2 you now what, im not evin guna lie to u.. most people around this area care bout loudness.. Im guna have to agree with you..

 

[CaliforniabOY5 10+ year member]

"Most who listen to mainly rap, though, don't exactly aim for sq when setting up their system. I will give you that"
That's my point exactly. If 'most' rap fans aren't in it for the SQ, we can pretty much agree the 'stereotype' that rap cares little for SQ is a fair statement. Are there exceptioons? Yes. But you cant argue against a stereotype when it generally fits.

X2 you now what, im not evin guna lie to u.. most people around this area care bout loudness.. Im guna have to agree with you..

PREACH ON BROTHER!

 

[newusername 10+ year member]

I have heard a lot of rap and I cannot believe that some people call it poetry. The only way you could reasonably do so would be if you have never read more than a page of poetry in your entire life.

 

[dvrmstrng 5,000+ posts]

i dont know about anyone else but i listen to rap for the beats....for all i care they could be speaking latin and talking about the 2nd coming of christ and it wouldn't change me....thats probably why i listen to alot of instrumentals though.

 

[Kfra315 10+ year member]

lol i remember when i 1st startin likin the sound of bass in music i would listen to 2 live crew's song "whoomp there it is" then i got into rap music after that, ya dind't see rappers in the 90's makin songs about laffy taffy or how a girl drops low, come on think of better shiit to rap about these days, i don't mind the beats, but the hooks, well some of em really **** up the flow of the beat if ya know what i'm sayin plus bass has a nice low rich sound that is almost hard to kick the habit of listenin too

Anybody see a contradiction here?

 

[Decado 10+ year member]

wow.. what i was trying to say jus flew right over your head, mr hiphop god over here.... Sterotype //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif ? Based on what, dont evin go there.. I like i said i hope hip hop does die.. That way all the garbage is done and wat is left is mc's that have passion for the music..

I must have misunderstood you so don't get all bent out of shape about it, I basically have the same feelings about it.

And you know what cracks me up about it man...
All of those people who try to defend rap will say "yeah the thug stuff is stupid, but there are a lot of great underground rappers out there, you just have to find them" but then 99% of people turn around and listen to the stupid thug shit. It's almost like they have these mythical "talented rappers" just to legitimize themselves in case they need to fall back from their mainstream shit to try to argue a point. Everyone talks about these theoretical genius rappers but I have yet to hear anyone actually listen to them.

It's hilarious how people who listen to rap pretend to disdain mainstream artists yet that is probably what 99% of them listen to. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif

Lol, I never said I don't listen to the shitty top 40 stuff, yes I do hate them, but yes I also listen to them because of their instrumentals. I'll admit it's entertaining to listen to for a while but I always end up back listening to my favorite rappers who actually can rap, rappers you can actually gain something from. I don't listen to talented rappers to "legitimize" myself so if someday I happen to be in an argument I can argue back, that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard, why the hell would anyone do this?

I have heard a lot of rap and I cannot believe that some people call it poetry. The only way you could reasonably do so would be if you have never read more than a page of poetry in your entire life.

Apparently you've never actually listened to poetic rap, or if you have you didn't actually listen to it.

Alright, well I guess I'm getting off topic with the lyrics stuff but I'll get back on topic. Why are we arguing for the stereotype that generally rap isn't about SQ now? Maybe I missed something in the 8 pages I didn't read but I'm pretty sure this thread wasn't meant to prove whether that stereotype is real or not. Of course it's real, and it goes the same for mostly any other genre of music except for maybe techno/trance type stuff. Look at rock, WAY more people listen to that than any genre really and if you figure out percentages and stuff I'm pretty sure just as few people give half a crap about SQ there as well. Most are just listening on their stock car radios, boomboxes, best buy home theater systems.

Rap, just like any genre benefits from SQ, it just matters there how much of an audiophile you are. Me personally I can't see listening to any music without good SQ. And there is some really good SQ rap, alot of this southern (atlanta and houston) stuff sounds really good on an SQ setup. You're not gonna give half a crap about the lyrics on this music but at least their instrumentals sound nice. It's just like metal, I can't understand what the hell alot of bands are saying and sometimes I wish I could just extract the vocals from the songs because it kind of ruins it but their instrumentals are what catch me.

 

[newusername 10+ year member]

You're not gonna give half a crap about the lyrics on this music but at least their instrumentals sound nice.

Yup, nothing better than the sound of Fruity Loops being used on a computer!

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

Alright, well I guess I'm getting off topic with the lyrics stuff but I'll get back on topic. Why are we arguing for the stereotype that generally rap isn't about SQ now? Maybe I missed something in the 8 pages I didn't read but I'm pretty sure this thread wasn't meant to prove whether that stereotype is real or not. Of course it's real, and it goes the same for mostly any other genre of music except for maybe techno/trance type stuff. Look at rock, WAY more people listen to that than any genre really and if you figure out percentages and stuff I'm pretty sure just as few people give half a crap about SQ there as well. Most are just listening on their stock car radios, boomboxes, best buy home theater systems.
Rap, just like any genre benefits from SQ, it just matters there how much of an audiophile you are. Me personally I can't see listening to any music without good SQ. And there is some really good SQ rap, alot of this southern (atlanta and houston) stuff sounds really good on an SQ setup. You're not gonna give half a crap about the lyrics on this music but at least their instrumentals sound nice. It's just like metal, I can't understand what the hell alot of bands are saying and sometimes I wish I could just extract the vocals from the songs because it kind of ruins it but their instrumentals are what catch me.

You are right in that whether or not people give a crap does not necessarily equal good or bad SQ. But the demand drives the market. No, I wouldn't use most rock to fine tune a SQ setup either. But then, I didnt start a thread trying to legitimize this sort of claim.
Can you honestly say you could see a professional tuner using [generic] rap to fine tune a SQ car before an event? Not some obscure rapper with a song that really doesn't fit the genre (heavy bass), your average every day rap song. If not, I dont see why we are having this debate.

Personally I would chose to use a wide range of music, spanning the entire range Id listen to. But for fine tuning, Id probably use classical, or a more modern but well balanced and recorded track Im very familiar with. I suppose I could see using rap for tuning some of the bottom end in the system, perhaps abit more. Just like Id use rock in certain ways (probably midbass lol).

Another little trick to try tuning is using talk radio (strong signal) or recorded speaking voices. A regular speaking voice can actually have quite a few tell-tale signs of issues with a system's tuning. Fine tune your system for realism, then turn on Imus and see how realistic his voice sounds. Well, maybe not Imus. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif

 

[m3rK201 10+ year member]

I must have misunderstood you so don't get all bent out of shape about it, I basically have the same feelings about it.
ah alrite kool, np car audio brotha //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/toast.gif.bc0657bf54b9ee653b6438524461341e.gif

 

[ssdell3]

If you don't like rap music, it's probably because you can't relate to anything except your own self centered silly sugar-coated world. Rap music is a reflection of reality, not to be confused with hip-hop. And if you don't know the difference between the two, don't waste anyone's time with a reply. I love rap music, and you do too, but don't tell anyone.//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/fro.gif.c695f1f814b01c4ad99fe7f8cccadd29.gif

 

[Decado 10+ year member]

You are right in that whether or not people give a crap does not necessarily equal good or bad SQ. But the demand drives the market. No, I wouldn't use most rock to fine tune a SQ setup either. But then, I didnt start a thread trying to legitimize this sort of claim.
Can you honestly say you could see a professional tuner using [generic] rap to fine tune a SQ car before an event? Not some obscure rapper with a song that really doesn't fit the genre (heavy bass), your average every day rap song. If not, I dont see why we are having this debate.

Personally I would chose to use a wide range of music, spanning the entire range Id listen to. But for fine tuning, Id probably use classical, or a more modern but well balanced and recorded track Im very familiar with. I suppose I could see using rap for tuning some of the bottom end in the system, perhaps abit more. Just like Id use rock in certain ways (probably midbass lol).

Another little trick to try tuning is using talk radio (strong signal) or recorded speaking voices. A regular speaking voice can actually have quite a few tell-tale signs of issues with a system's tuning. Fine tune your system for realism, then turn on Imus and see how realistic his voice sounds. Well, maybe not Imus. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif

I never said anything about using rap to tune a system, I wouldn't use rap to tune my system either. But nonetheless it can still have pretty good SQ, and I'm not just talking some obscure stuff I'm talking normal every day rap //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif.

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

I never said anything about using rap to tune a system, I wouldn't use rap to tune my system either. But nonetheless it can still have pretty good SQ, and I'm not just talking some obscure stuff I'm talking normal every day rap //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif.

Well, if you are just gonna circle the wagons and fall back on your opinion that every day rap has 'good SQ', Im not sure what we have to debate. I can already see this diuscussion turning to the 'SQ is subjective!' arguement Ive grown far too weary of. If you want to think rap is highly detailed music with an emphasis on SQ, clarity, etc... knock yourself out. But you are only fooling yourself.
Rap is stereotyped as 'the opposite' of SQ (not really, but how the OP worded it) because frankly, the stereotype fits. If you cant handle that, I suggest you come to terms with it. You cannot have your cake and eat it too. I simply wont agree to rappers installing grossly overexagerrated sub stages while retaining the stock front stage, or possiby the minimalisitc dash speaker upgrade, while bumping to an 'artist' talking about smacking his ho's *** or putting a cap in a cop's ***, all the while expecting your just rights in the SQ world and praise the genre for its SQ features.

Rap = opposite of SQ because that's exactly what its fans demand.