sq amps?

[t-money 10+ year member]

On a serious note....what amps do you know of that use precision components?

Brax does, heres an example:

http://www.woofersetc.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=3404

 

[almond 10+ year member]

better brax pic.

 

[almond 10+ year member]

tru t4.65

 

[almond 10+ year member]

and an amp similar to my mmats sq4035 this is an sq4065

 

[t-money 10+ year member]

better brax pic.

thanks

 

[squeak9798 5,000+ posts]

yeah, because what i said earlier about the difference in amps being the onboard processors was too difficult for the average person to understannd, unlike what you wrote.//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif

Or maybe the fact that you essentially said "all amps/power are the same except for onboard processing" which is absolutely not the case as evidenced by the few brief examples I listed.

A real deidicated Sound Quality amplifier wont have any on board processing or crossover.

I don't see why that would be.

Many amplifiers offer wonderful built-in processing abilities diminishing the need for additional outboard components.

It will be built with superior 1% tolerance components and on mil-spec PCB's.

I would have to again disagree that that is the only way to build an audibly indistinguishable amplifier.

If you think all watts are created equal you are either deaf or just plain stupid.

That statement, taken literally, is correct.

If it was stated to imply that an amplifier with no on-board processing, "1% tolerance components and on mil-spec PCB's" will automatically "sound better" or even different then I think the personality traits you identified are primarily fitting for those who actually believe that statement.

 

[xtremekustomz 10+ year member]

Got any closer views? From picture is looks like the tru & sq4065 maily use regular carbon film resistors and not precision. I see a few in there that look like precision.

 

[customtronic 10+ year member]

There are several amplifier companies out there that I will say make an awsome SQ amp. I'm of course going to be a bit biased because I'm a member of Team Zapco. That aside, lets look at features. The DC Reference line of amplifiers have all you need. Good, clean power. Built in DSP....10-band parametric EQ, Xover, time alignment, ect, ect. Then lets look at the competitors rankings on the competition circuit. I'm not trying to "toot our own horn" but it's hard to argue with results. Many of last years world champions are using zapco amps. The same guys are getting the big wins this season also. I'm new to the team but I'm holding my own so far. All I'm saying is look into the DC Reference. You'll be glad you did. No need to bash my comments......It's just my opinion, nothing more.

 

[genxx 10+ year member]

These are always fun to read and so debatable. It has been debated what like a billion times already and I have still never seen a true 100% definitive answer. If anyone has seen a 100%definitive answer please give me a link. I don't think people will ever agree on this topic. Once you get some super crazy smart people involved in the discussion which has happened in multiple threads it always seems split down the middle. Some knowledge guys have chimed in here as well. One thing I have learned is I don't not get involved in these debates anymore. I have my personnel preference and that’s what I use. Its good reading though.

One thing to think about is most of the heavy hitters in SQ are running some form of DSP and they can tweak whatever they need to get a desired sound out of a high quality amp. I no longer argue about what an amp actually sounds like. I prefer to look at the quality and components used. If they are designed well, have excellent quality, great components and they are within my budget then I will use them.

My personnel preference of quality amps that I can afford on the current market are Zapco, ARC, Audison, Zed Audio and Aura. Not including some of the OS stuff to many to list. I just like them all for different reasons.

Keep the debate going its great reading.

 

[frzninvt 10+ year member]

The innards of the Orion XTR-100 and XTR-200 two of my all time favorite SQ amplifiers.

 

[frzninvt 10+ year member]

Cheap forum photo posting software, lets try again. I sure wish they would let you post a photo big enough to see.

 

[dipitydoo 10+ year member]

I think this topic gets misinterpreted alot based on incorrect assumptions. Its not that out of the box, all amps sound the same. But, an amp that functions within a normal range (doesn't have obvious deficiencies, like 20% distortion, for example) can be made to sound identical under test conditions with another amp via corrections. So, with that said, this is more to rebuke claims such as class A or tube amps' 'warm' sound. Not many true class A amps out there. Why? They are horribly inefficient, drawing almost full current with no sound output. Many amps claim class A, but I'm willing to bet the vast majority of those are class a/b that operate in class A up to a fraction of a watt or so. Tube amps? Warm sound likely caused by frequency response bump and distortion, both of which can be duplicated by a solid state amp.

I think the point is to try and dispel the myth that certain components and technologies automatically offer better audible SQ, like clearer highs, better sound stage, tighter bass, etc. Some technologies might offer better measured statistics, but the question is, is it audible? 0.1% distortion vs 0.0001% distortion will sound the same to the human ear. Technically, 0.0001% is a lot 'cleaner', but its way past the threshold of audibility. So, the point is, don't buy an 'sq' amp thinking it will be 'cleaner' sounding than your current amp. There are many reasons to buy a high end amp over an entry level one, but 'sq' is not one of them.

 

[crawlinYJ 10+ year member]

There are several amplifier companies out there that I will say make an awsome SQ amp. I'm of course going to be a bit biased because I'm a member of Team Zapco. That aside, lets look at features. The DC Reference line of amplifiers have all you need. Good, clean power. Built in DSP....10-band parametric EQ, Xover, time alignment, ect, ect. Then lets look at the competitors rankings on the competition circuit. I'm not trying to "toot our own horn" but it's hard to argue with results. Many of last years world champions are using zapco amps. The same guys are getting the big wins this season also. I'm new to the team but I'm holding my own so far. All I'm saying is look into the DC Reference. You'll be glad you did. No need to bash my comments......It's just my opinion, nothing more.

i run the DC's in my setup. best amps i have owned. the only downside is they are a little large for my vehicle being 2 feet long each. the dsp is awesome. i am going to c2k's pretty soon just because i dont want to take a step down, and yet want a smaller footprint. and you probably guessed it, i will be using the outboard DSP. but for those on more of a budget, you cant beat the value of the reference DC given the features that are all on-board.

 

[Keyser Söze 10+ year member]

He still has his money to. LOL

HEHEH...he lent me $1 to post in this thread. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif

 

[Keyser Söze 10+ year member]

That I would have to presently disagree with.
I haven't seen the article myself, but on another forum it was mentioned that CA&E recently tested one of the RF power series amplifiers to have a 4db boost in two different frequency ranges......that would be audible.

It also could be corrected with an EQ, however, resulting in an inaudible difference after correction (assuming power, gain, noise & distortion were also inaudibly different).

Right, I should have excluded the 2006 models with the f-ed FR. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crazy.gif.c13912c32de98515d3142759a824dae7.gif

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