SO much for the type r/TCAB hype. blew sub and components

[alpine3612 10+ year member]

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TCAB+ Type R = Crowded *** thread

 

[Cris 10+ year member]

i had no audible distortion and i doubt many of you use an o scope to set your gains. and it is not liek i just installed all this stuff this weekend, i have had the components for a few months, they just decided to crap out at teh same time as my friend's sub. also understand i did not install both of these systems, the sub is not mine.

I think you just don't quite understand how a thread like this SHOULD go.

You make a bold statement: "So much for the type R/tcab hype."

Okay. Fine. Now follow it with equally bold proof.

Pictures. Graphs showing lack of distortion. ANYTHING.

/end argument.

We see this, say "hmm. He blew a type-R sub with 1200 watts. No surprise. This is twice as many watts as it should get. As far as the components go, that's a bit more controversial. Could be many things."

That's as far as you could go in the terms of making a point, even with good proof.

NOWWWWWWWWW... you, on the other hand, just keep making unsubstanciated bold statements with NO proof to back up your own argument. Heck, even your own "facts" are against you-- 1200 watts to a 500 watt sub = blown.

As for critisizing the TCAB box-- if your only argument is "it looks like a box" then.. wow. I think the maker himself says they are just boxes, nothing more. What did you expect? Antique mohogany?

-cris

 

[Raven 10+ year member]

TCAB+ Type R = Crowded *** thread

They draw quite a croud. Some come to see it succeed, some to see it fail. Most for the fun that getting the other two together brings. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

 

[alpine3612 10+ year member]

His components sounded very nice for the time he had them. Then all of a sudden blah. Makes me think about selling mine. And my sub wouldnt have blown if i wouldnt have decided to crank it after about 20 mins of bumping.

 

[Raven 10+ year member]

His components sounded very nice for the time he had them. Then all of a sudden blah. Makes me think about selling mine. And my sub wouldnt have blown if i wouldnt have decided to crank it after about 20 mins of bumping.

That's like saying your blender/toaster/coffee maker died under normal use. Unless you were blending rocks, toasting ice, or using your Type R to make coffee. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif That's user error.

 

[Cris 10+ year member]

His components sounded very nice for the time he had them. Then all of a sudden blah. Makes me think about selling mine. And my sub wouldnt have blown if i wouldnt have decided to crank it after about 20 mins of bumping.

There's no argument as to why the Type-R blew. We know exactly why.

As for the components, we have little to no information. What happened? did only 1 speaker out of 4 go out? all 4? Does the amp still work? Do they still play, but sound broken? etc etc etc.

-cris

 

[Chevillac 5,000+ posts]

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TCAB+ Type R = Crowded *** thread

Because, people show their true colors in threads like this. I like to see how smart...or not smart people are.

The thread starter for example has no basis for his arguement. By saying everything he did, he basically flushed all his credibility down the thread before the second post was made.

 

[alpine3612 10+ year member]

properly installed equipment, reccomended power, little to no clipping, explain to me how that is not "normal use"?

 

[JeffyZ33 10+ year member]

This thread is weak.

Type R sucks because you blew it by user error? Yeah, ok.

TCAB sucks because you don't know what you're doing? Hm....

Components blew too? Wow, Alpine just sucks all around.

So here's what really happened:

You're a noob trying to show off to someone louder then you at a stop light. You crank your deck up to way past distortion, the distorted signal hits your amp and sends an overpowered distorted signal to a sub, bam, blown

Your friend's components died in your make-believe story to try to prove that Alpine and TCAB ****.

And no, you don't drive around with an o-scope to detect distortion. You set the gain level according to the gain setting thread, use an oscope to find the max volume you can go to on your deck before distortion, and you don't turn the deck up past that.

 

[squeak9798 5,000+ posts]

i had no audible distortion

Audible to you. How do we know that you actually know what to listen for as far as distortion is concerned? Even relatively trained ears are tolerant of distortion up to around 10% in subbass......untrained ears could be content with as much as 20+% distortion without realizing it, depending on several factors.

and i doubt many of you use an o scope to set your gains.

Don't make absolute claims like "no distortion or clipping" without proof. How do you know there wasn't any? Without a scope, we'll never know for sure, now will we //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

I still fail to see how any of this is NOT related to user error. Speakers, for the most part, don't crap out for no reason. If they played fine for months, they'll generally continue to play fine when used within their limits..........As for the sub, failing after being sent >50% rated power doesn't land under manufacturer error.

Had you come on here and said "aw man, I had a problem with some equipment and I'm not sure why" you would have received a much warmer response than starting out with "Type R/TCAB not worth the hype", then proceeding to provide nothing but unsubstantiated claims, and were admittedly severely overpowering the subwoofer.

 

[squeak9798 5,000+ posts]

properly installed equipment,

We can only assume

reccomended power,

How is 1200w on a rated 500w subwoofer recommended power??

 

[alpine3612 10+ year member]

This thread is weak.
Type R sucks because you blew it by user error? Yeah, ok.

TCAB sucks because you don't know what you're doing? Hm....

Components blew too? Wow, Alpine just sucks all around.

So here's what really happened:

You're a noob trying to show off to someone louder then you at a stop light. You crank your deck up to way past distortion, the distorted signal hits your amp and sends an overpowered distorted signal to a sub, bam, blown

Your friend's components died in your make-believe story to try to prove that Alpine and TCAB ****.

And no, you don't drive around with an o-scope to detect distortion. You set the gain level according to the gain setting thread, use an oscope to find the max volume you can go to on your deck before distortion, and you don't turn the deck up past that.

Um.... I never said type r sucks or tcab sucks, and i had my deck at the normal maximum level (28/35). They usually take it for about a song at that level, btw. Type r's are great subs for cheap, and tcab makes great boxes, just a little pricey.

 

[alpine3612 10+ year member]

We can only assume


How is 1200w on a rated 500w subwoofer recommended power??

Im referring to the components

 

[JeffyZ33 10+ year member]

You're saying your equipment only takes that song at that level for a minute before it blows? What is this telling you?

Isn't this whole thread a giant bash on Alpine/TCAB/Type R?

"SO much for the type r/TCAB hype"

Isn't this statement saying that Type R and TCAB are not what they are lived up to be?

 

[Cris 10+ year member]

This weekend my friend got his new tcab box and we hooked it up, blew the sub shortly, no distortion or clipping. it was a 12, now it is stiff as hell. Also this weekend my type r components blew running on my avionixx 440.4 with absolutly no distortion or clipping. my high pass is at 130hz. my type r tweeters blew also. And i don't see anything special with the tcab's either. it is a plywood ported box. Tcab just found a good volume and tuning for the type r, thats it, nothing special with the box. and they are not really vehicle specific either, TCAB has a small car box, larger car box, and a suv/truck box. and it really isn't specific to that , my friend got both the car box and suv box, and the suv box is louder with better sq in his car. I think i will be trying something different than type r's in the the future.

just to show everyone what the original poster said.

it boils down to:

1) sub blew without distortion or clipping.

2) Type R tweeters blew too.

3) tcab boxes aren't special-- they're just boxes, not vehicle specific, just a box that the maker found works well for the sub.

and thus, Type R subs and components ****, and tcab boxes aren't special either.

proof posted:

none. just statements like "1200 watts to sub, 80 watts to components, and no distortion."