Optima Batteries...real good Americans.Huh?

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

This economy has nothing to do with buying American. You have to spend money you've actually got. Whether you're buying American, Chinese, Korean, Japanese, or Mexican, doesn't really matter. If people would stop being afraid to spend money they've got and spend it, the economy would start getting better. Why do you think there are so many layoffs? Because people don't go out shopping. Stores layoff employees because they don't need all the people out on the floors of the stores if there's no customers there. Factories that are still here in this country layoff people because the stores can't sell the product they already have. If people spent their money, these people wouldn't be getting laid off and then everyone would have a little more money to spend. It's really one big chain.

No, what happened was people were overspending initially. Even people spent 80% of their income for the past 20 years, the economy wouldn't have grown to a size where contractions are painful.

 

[its_bacon12 10+ year member]

As it was previously stated, if you've educated yourself and made yourself valuable, you won't get laid off. I'm not saying go out and blow your savings on something dumb, but if you've got some extra cash, don't be afraid to spend it.

It would be his money, why do you give a flying **** what he does with it?

Unless you're a liberal that is..

 

[bubbagumper6 5,000+ posts]

As it was previously stated, if you've educated yourself and made yourself valuable, you won't get laid off. I'm not saying go out and blow your savings on something dumb, but if you've got some extra cash, don't be afraid to spend it.

So basically if your "uneducated" you don't matter and have no impact on the economy, but if you are educated then don't save any money, go spend it at "fine retailers" //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif

 

[duece212 5,000+ posts]

As it was previously stated, if you've educated yourself and made yourself valuable, you won't get laid off. I'm not saying go out and blow your savings on something dumb, but if you've got some extra cash, don't be afraid to spend it.

Ok, so you expect every American worker to educate themselves so they can all be valuable and still fight over the few remainging jobs, all after they spent all their "extra cash" and now can't afford to pay the bills. They then go on the welfare/unemployment draining money from whatever small bit of tax base is left.

Sounds like a solid plan to recovery to me.

If you don't think educated "valuable" people are out of jobs, you really have no clue.

 

[ejschultz 10+ year member]

Please list these fine retailers.

Best buy, Crutchfield, Sears, Tiger Direct, all your little local high end shops, and I'm sure there's more, I just don't feel like finding them.

That's the most oversimplified and basic idea of it, but that's how I'd expect a 3 year old to answer.
You really have no idea how complicated it is do you?

It's really not that complicated. Everyone's just overthinking it.

 

[its_bacon12 10+ year member]

No, what happened was people were overspending initially. Even people spent 80% of their income for the past 20 years, the economy wouldn't have grown to a size where contractions are painful.

Perfect example of this was Starbucks. They expanded too rapidly because of insane profits and recently had to close a ton of stores because of overexpansion.

Starbucks is the posterchild of the American economy right now.

 

[andrewmoore13 10+ year member]

i hate these discussions. they are stupid. there is no "right" answer to fixing the economy. its just going to take a lot of time to turn around. the main issue is that we as a people are not keeping up with the rest of the world. we have the best education system in the world and 95% of don't take full advantage of it. we need to go back to our cash cow to continue making money as a country. our cash cow is the ability to be innovative and creative.

 

[its_bacon12 10+ year member]

It's really not that complicated. Everyone's just overthinking it.

Lol.. I'm going to have to laugh at this response. Please just stop embarrassing yourself.

 

[duece212 5,000+ posts]

No, what happened was people were overspending initially. Even people spent 80% of their income for the past 20 years, the economy wouldn't have grown to a size where contractions are painful.

Agreed

We were trying to continue a standard of wealth and living that reality didn't support. I think alot of us will need to change perceptions of what we are entitled too...that is unless we get another bubble started, then bring on the fake wealth again.

 

[bubbagumper6 5,000+ posts]

i hate these discussions. they are stupid. there is no "right" answer to fixing the economy. its just going to take a lot of time to turn around. the main issue is that we as a people are not keeping up with the rest of the world. we have the best education system in the world and 95% of don't take full advantage of it. we need to go back to our cash cow to continue making money as a country. our cash cow is the ability to be innovative and creative.

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[ejschultz 10+ year member]

Ok, so you expect every American worker to educate themselves so they can all be valuable and still fight over the few remainging jobs, all after they spent all their "extra cash" and now can't afford to pay the bills. They then go on the welfare/unemployment draining money from whatever small bit of tax base is left.
Sounds like a solid plan to recovery to me.

If you don't think educated "valuable" people are out of jobs, you really have no clue.

I'm not saying that educated, valuable people aren't out of jobs. I know of people close to me who are screwed right now who are extremely educated and valuable. It just helps in the matter. Look at all the mills and things like that. That's a job that doesn't require anything but a high school education. These are also jobs that are getting outsourced.

 

[Lugnutz 10+ year member]

Best buy, Crutchfield, Sears, Tiger Direct, all your little local high end shops, and I'm sure there's more, I just don't feel like finding them.


It's really not that complicated. Everyone's just overthinking it.

LOL Sears. You do know Sears Holdings owns Kmart right? You do know that Sears sells cheaper Craftsman tools at Kmart that they don't sell at Sears? You do realize Kmart and Sears both sell the same Vizio TV's that Walmart does right? There is a market for discount retailers. How about you blame the manufacturers. They make the lower end products to be sold at Walmart.

 

[Lugnutz 10+ year member]

I'm not saying that educated, valuable people aren't out of jobs. I know of people close to me who are screwed right now who are extremely educated and valuable. It just helps in the matter. Look at all the mills and things like that. That's a job that doesn't require anything but a high school education. These are also jobs that are getting outsourced.

I like these people who over simply how easy factory work is. I'd like to see any "educated" person work in a factory or mill for 6 months and see how long they last.

 

[duece212 5,000+ posts]

I'm not saying that educated, valuable people aren't out of jobs. I know of people close to me who are screwed right now who are extremely educated and valuable. It just helps in the matter. Look at all the mills and things like that. That's a job that doesn't require anything but a high school education. These are also jobs that are getting outsourced.

Have you told those out of work people you know to go spend their "extra cash" to help stimulate the economy?

 

[ejschultz 10+ year member]

Agreed
We were trying to continue a standard of wealth and living that reality didn't support. I think alot of us will need to change perceptions of what we are entitled too...that is unless we get another bubble started, then bring on the fake wealth again.

And I didn't say anything about overspending? I believe I did. The banks are the real issue. Before the banks went down for giving out loans they knew could not be paid back, the economy was not suffering nearly as much. Once the banks went down, people got scared and that sent the economy into a downward spiral.