Opinion:: Random Drug/Alcohol Testing at work /poll\

[tommyk90 5,000+ posts]

"somewhat" an invasion of privacy ? How isn't it an invasion of privacy ?
I'm not saying that the company doesn't have the right to do it if it's written in their policy and agreed upon by the employee, but if sheep keep letting companies get away w/ violating basic human rights, then that's what they'll continue to do. I personally think it's complete BS and would never agree to anything like that (and I don't even use drugs and drink maybe once a month).

Also, not every drug user is a drug addict.

it isn't an invasion of privacy, imo, because you DON'T have to agree to it. You can simply say "no" and not be an employee.

Invasion of privacy is exactly that, INVASION. If you agree to it, it's not invasion.

I don't mean to start an argument.

Also, i'm not saying every drug user is an addict, but the risk of hiring a drug user who will turn into an addict is apparently high enough that companies see it as something that needs to be controlled. Afterall, doesn't a current drug user have a higher risk of becoming an addict versus a person who doesn't use drugs at all?

 

[sothrowd 10+ year member]

Invasion of privacy? naw man, you agree to drug test so then your going to drug test simple as that. Plus whats the problem with going into a bathroom with a cup with complete privacy, to pee in a cup for them. Thats pretty man, Im on probation, and do i get privacy while pissin in a cup hell naw, so think of what invasion of privacy really means before you try to get mad about it. I smoke everyday almost and i get drug tested twice a month, been doin this for a while and yet I still pass all my drug tests, so drug tests dont phase me at all, they are just sooooooooooooo easy to pass, just takes a lil studying.

 

[hoxie08 5,000+ posts]

It isn't the violation of the first amendment. It is a "privately" owned establishment and the owner/management can run it how they see fit. Don't like it? Go elsewhere. Since it isn't government mandated that companies do a drug screen, I see no harm or foul if a company wishes to do so. They are minimizing there chance of getting that person who lets drugs override their lives and lets it affect work.
Bottom line to me is that companies should be free to run the companies the way they see fit, within reason. I hardly find drug screening to be in the confines of unreasonable.

Smart guy.....and I agree 100%

and btw im not bashing or anything.... shoot, at my job, if we did drug testing, we'd probably have to fire half the employees.

 

[tommyk90 5,000+ posts]

It's an invasion into your personal life which, IMO, they have no business knowing about unless it negatively affects your work performance (which you shouldn't need drug testing to find out about).
Again, the people currently having it done agreed to the policy, so I don't have a problem w/ the companies doing what they said they were going to do. I have a problem w/ the policy itself and how many people are willing to sacrifice their freedoms to make a buck.

Well, alright. I don't agree entirely but I see where you're coming from.

Companies can run them however they want. Nobody is forcing them to work for that company.

 

[IgnoreMe 5,000+ posts]

jmac really has some sense. its good to have someone defending this issue from a different perspective. he doesnt even use drugs but sees the issue with this situation.

jmac can i ask you what the canadian law says about this issue? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

as far as i, and anyone else is concerned, i am employed for 8 hrs a day, and thats it. period. no questions asked. the company doesnt own me, but for 8 hrs.

how is what i do off the clock any of their business?

 

[RAM_Designs 5,000+ posts]

how is what i do off the clock any of their business?

when you sign a sheet of paper saying that they can make it their business, then they can make it their business...is this still hard to grasp?

 

[IgnoreMe 5,000+ posts]

when you sign a sheet of paper saying that they can make it their business, then they can make it their business...is this still hard to grasp?

im questioning the law that allows them to do it...not the fact that i sign the paper and agree to doing it...is that still that hard to grasp?

 

[Randy Savage 5,000+ posts]

im questioning the law that allows them to do it...not the fact that i sign the paper and agree to doing it...is that still that hard to grasp?

They're a private company...technically, your superior can walk up to you, and tell you you're fired because you're ugly, or your tie sucks.

What you do is your own business...but that doesn't mean they cannot set guidelines and rules when you're working for them.

You don't have to abide by them- there's NOTHING stopping you from telling them to shove it and quit.

 

[RAM_Designs 5,000+ posts]

im questioning the law that allows them to do it...not the fact that i sign the paper and agree to doing it...is that still that hard to grasp?

There isn't a law that says they can, there just isn't one that says they can't...is that so hard to understand?

 

[sandbags 10+ year member]

most company's use "employment at will" meaning if they can fire your *** at anytime w/o explanation.

 

[Ignatowski 5,000+ posts]

I dont do any dope any more but I did when I was younger......(teens and 20s)

Knowing how many young people are on dope I would say its smart business

to test from the companys point of view...

Eventually young people IF they are smart usually quit dope on thier own terms

perhaps if it is interfering with your job opportunitys NOW might be a good time

to grow up and start moving foward........

They dont test for booze,start drinking heavily !

 

[IamDeMan 5,000+ posts]

ok...but i thought you agreed with the law that allows a company to do what they deem fit?

Within reason. An African American can't choose to quit being African American //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif A drug user CAN choose to quit in order to maintain employment. You are once again bringing bananas to an apple show.

 

[MikeofTulsa Moderator]

if you don't smoke or do drugs you shouldn't have any problem with random drug testing. me personally, i wouldn't hire someone that refuses or doesn't pass a drug test. who's to say they wont get high before work or on their lunch break when its their "personal" time. their personal time can affect their performance during work time. Hell half the people in my current training class come to work high each day and get high durring their lunch break, unfortunately my work does not seem to think they should actually make us do the drug test that they had us sign papers saying we would do.

 

[sqhertz 5,000+ posts]

if you don't smoke or do drugs you shouldn't have any problem with random drug testing. me personally, i wouldn't hire someone that refuses or doesn't pass a drug test. who's to say they wont get high before work or on their lunch break when its their "personal" time. their personal time can affect their performance during work time. Hell half the people in my current training class come to work high each day and get high durring their lunch break, unfortunately my work does not seem to think they should actually make us do the drug test that they had us sign papers saying we would do.

i smoke pot and i passed my drug test no problem. i dont let what i do outside of work effect my performance on the clock. cant say the same for other people. but if people cant clean up and pass a drug test , they shouldnt be working for a company like that. i know of plenty of people who are stoners that have held thier jobs for 10+ years. i also know a few that are lazy pieces of shit.

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[tRidiot 10+ year member]

It's simple. You want to work, you prove you don't do drugs.

They can sample my piss any time they want. If you want to retain the ability to hide the fact of if you do drugs or not, you find a new place to work.