newbie needs some help

[egold]

Good morning,

I'd like to add a sub amp to my son's 1999 eclipse. I've never installed a amp before and need some help from the experts.. The shop that installed the speaker amp is out of business sad to say. This is what I know:

1pr. jbl 6x9 coax in the back and 6.5 coax in the front.

1 Memphis 12" sub. 200 watt max. I'm assuming it's 4ohm

1 powerbass 4 channel 800 watt amp. somehow he was able to run everything off this amp.

The panasonic hu died and picked up a pioneer DEH-P7000BT off e-bay which I want to install at the same time I install the sub amp.

stock battery and alt.

I guess the first question is what kind of sub amp should I get class AB class D?

I've seen some 250watt amps on the classifieds here but have no idea what to look for. I'd consider new also if I keep it under 125-150.00.

Im not looking to add another sub.

I've read some posts in this forum and know I need a amp kit. Some one posted this site. which kit would I need to buy? Im not sure what gauge wire I need and is it better to buy a kit or just buy things seperate?

http://www.knukonceptz.com/productMaster.cfm?Category=Amp%20Installation%20Kits#

I also read I might need a fuse distribution block. which one would you guy's recommend?

http://www.knukonceptz.com/productMaster.cfm?Category=Distribution%20/%20Fuse%20Blocks

Would the stock battery and alt handle adding a sub amp on first of all?

Do I need new battery terminals?

It's ok to run a wire from the remote wire of the first amp to the new one seeing that one is already hooked into the ignition?

Im kind of lost on the fuse thing. Do I cut the power wire from the battery and fuse it if so is it better to fuse it as close to the battery terminal or does it not matter.

What type of fuse?

Do you ground the amp as close to the amp as possible and is it ok to use the same ground point as the amp thats already installed?

I know I need a dmm never used one before but I'll research out how to use the darn thing.

any other help or recommendations would be appreciated also.

I know the post is long with a lot of questions but I like to know what I'm getting into and have all the information before I start a project. The worse thing is saying **** I need to run to get a part come back and find I need to run out again to get another part lol.

Thanks in advance and happy turkey day.

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[DBBOOM 10+ year member]

In my opinion, you would probably be better off selling the four channel amp, and buying a decent 5 channel. This would allow you to use the existing wiring for the amp that is already installed and would save you some trouble and space in the car. And most 5 channel amps have on board fusing. You would simply move the wiring to the new amp and run new speaker wiring from the amp to the sub.

Below are a few sites to check for a 5 channel, look for one with about 100wattsx4 for the mids and highs and 200-300wattx1@4ohms for the sub. There is a five channel Hifonics Zeus in the classifieds for sale now and Oldschoolforme on this site also has a 5 channel for sale.

http://www.onlinecarstereo.com

http://www.woofersetc.com

http://www.caraudiodeals.com

 

[egold]

Thank you for the reply,

thats certainly an option could you recommend what brands I should be looking for?

 

[DBBOOM 10+ year member]

Lot of choices, on a budget, id go with a Infinity or MBQuart. They make good power and have good sound quality. Should end up with a good sound and youll get some cash back when you sell the four channel you already have.

 

[97gp 5,000+ posts]

Good morning,
I'd like to add a sub amp to my son's 1999 eclipse. I've never installed a amp before and need some help from the experts.. The shop that installed the speaker amp is out of business sad to say. This is what I know:

1pr. jbl 6x9 coax in the back and 6.5 coax in the front.

1 Memphis 12" sub. 200 watt max. I'm assuming it's 4ohm

1 powerbass 4 channel 800 watt amp. somehow he was able to run everything off this amp.

The panasonic hu died and picked up a pioneer DEH-P7000BT off e-bay which I want to install at the same time I install the sub amp.

stock battery and alt.

I guess the first question is what kind of sub amp should I get class AB class D?

I've seen some 250watt amps on the classifieds here but have no idea what to look for. I'd consider new also if I keep it under 125-150.00.

Im not looking to add another sub.

I've read some posts in this forum and know I need a amp kit. Some one posted this site. which kit would I need to buy? Im not sure what gauge wire I need and is it better to buy a kit or just buy things seperate?

This amp kit

I also read I might need a fuse distribution block. which one would you guy's recommend?

your only running one amp you wont need one

Would the stock battery and alt handle adding a sub amp on first of all?

You'll be fine you wont be running much power

Do I need new battery terminals?

No

It's ok to run a wire from the remote wire of the first amp to the new one seeing that one is already hooked into the ignition?

Yes

Im kind of lost on the fuse thing. Do I cut the power wire from the battery and fuse it if so is it better to fuse it as close to the battery terminal or does it not matter.

Keep the fuse as close to the battery as possible atlest within 18"

What type of fuse?

That amp kit comes with a 120 amp fuse

Do you ground the amp as close to the amp as possible and is it ok to use the same ground point as the amp thats already installed?

The closer the better and yes

I know I need a dmm never used one before but I'll research out how to use the darn thing.

any other help or recommendations would be appreciated also.

I know the post is long with a lot of questions but I like to know what I'm getting into and have all the information before I start a project. The worse thing is saying **** I need to run to get a part come back and find I need to run out again to get another part lol.

Thanks in advance and happy turkey day.

I reccomend a 4 channel to run the comps up front then bridge the other channels for the sub, just browse the classafieds and you can find a good deal.

 

[egold]

This might be a stupid question but it's always good to laugh before a holiday. I checked the jbl website The front and rear speakers run at 2 ohm's. Does that mean the fronts and rears run at 4 ohm each channel. the sub running the same as the sub also runs off this 4 channel? or am i running at 2 ohm's, it's a bit confussing.

Im looking at a Zeus ZXi 8008 740-Watts A/B-Class.

4 x 110-Watts + 300-Watts x 1-ch RMS @ 2-Ohms

4 x 55-Watts + 200-Watts x 1-ch RMS @ 4-Ohms

If I am running at 4ohm's is 55 watts loud enough The 200 watts the amp produces is the max for the sub, that I do know and just for my own curiosity how would I get it to run at 2 ohm's.

Thanks

 

[DBBOOM 10+ year member]

The JBL's will be getting 110watts each if they are 2 ohm, and the sub will be getting 200watts if it is 4 ohm. If the sub is single voice coil its ohms cant be varied. They will all work with this amp just fine, the output of the amp will just vary depending on the ohm rating of the speaker. The amp has gain/level and crossover adjustments, so it would be easy to tune to your taste.

 

[egold]

This is what I've found so far. It seems the hifonics and mb quart are made by the same company. The hifonics and powerbass which I have now is the least expensive around around 160.00 the others are around 225.00

which ones do you like

Thanks

Kicker zx 700.5

• Amplifier Type 5 Channels

• RMS Power (4 ohms) 70 watts x 4 chan. + 210 watts x 1 chan.

• RMS Power (2 ohms) 85 watts x 4 chan. + 420 watts x 1 chan.

• RMS Power (1 ohm) Not Stable

• Bridged RMS Power 130 watts x 2 chan. + 420 watts x 1 chan. (at 2 ohms)

• Peak Power Output N/A

• Min. Impedance Unbridged 2 ohms

• Min. Impedance Bridged 4 ohms

• THD @ Rated RMS Power 1%

• Speaker Level Inputs Yes

• Built-in Crossover Yes - LP/Full/HP

• High-Pass Crossover 50 - 200Hz

• Low-Pass Crossover 50 - 200Hz

• Subsonic Filter N/A

• Signal-to-Noise Ratio 95 dB

• Channel Separation N/A

• Bass Boost 0 - 18dB (subwoofer channel only)

• Bass/Gain Remote Yes (for subwoofer channel only)

• Fan Cooled N/A

• Fuse Rating 30A x 3

• Bass Boost Remote Control: 0 - 18dB at 40Hz

• CEA-2006 Compliant

• 24dB per octave Crossover: Active at 50Hz - 200Hz, High Pass, Low Pass, or Full-Pass selectable

• Dimensions: 20"L x 9 5/8"W x 2 1/8"H

MB QUART PAB-5400

• 5-Channel Amplifier

• Focused mass aluminium heat sink

• RMS Power Rating:

• 4 ohms: 55 watts x 4 CH. + 200 watts x 1 CH (subwoofer channel)

• 2 ohms: 85 watts x 4 CH. + 300 watts x 1 CH (subwoofer channel)

• Ultra-flexible and variable adjustable active crossover network

• Vario bass equalizer circuit up to +18 dB

• 24 dB subsonic filter

• Full range preamp outputs for easy daisy chaining of additional amplifiers

• MB QUART-Logo with illuminated red rectangle

• Wire concealing detachable end panels

• Frequency Response (-3 dB) : 10 Hz - 30 kHz

• Damping Factor: 200

• Signal To Noise Ratio : >95 dB

• THD : 0.05%

• Channel Separation : >70 dB

• Input Signal : 0.2 - 6.0 V

• Crossover S/W : LP.BP/Full/HP

• Variable Hi-pass / Subsonic Filter : 10 ~ 150 Hz

• Variable Low-Pass (mono 24 dB) : 30 ~ 150 Hz Full range

• Bass Boost at 45 Hz : 1 ~ 9 dB

• Remote bass level control MBQR-1 to control bass level included

• Dimensions: 21.42" L x 10.4" W x 2.25" H

HIFONICS ZEUS ZXI8008

• Zeus ZXi Series 5-Channel Class AB Car Amplifier

• RMS Power Rating:

• 4 ohms: 55 watts x 4 chan. + 200 watts x 1 chan.

• 2 ohms: 110 watts x 4 chan. + 300 watts x 1 chan.

• Bridged, 4 ohms: 220 watts x 2 chan. + 200 watts x 1 chan.

• Pulse width modulated (PWM) MOSFET power supply

• LED power and protection indicators

• Tuned Bass EQ (0-10 dB bass boost at 45 Hz)

• Variable input control

• 5/4/2 Channel operation

• Soft turn-on circuitry

• DC, short, thermal, and overload protection circuitry

• Heavy duty aluminum alloy heatsink

• Chrome-plated RCA level inputs

• Chrome-plated screw terminals

• Variable high-pass filter (50-4000 Hz, 24 dB/octave)

• Variable low-pass filter (250-4000 Hz, 24 dB/octave)

• Channel 5 variable low-pass filter (30-150 Hz, 24 dB/octave)

• Frequency response: 10-30000 Hz

• Dimensions: 15.98"L x 9.45"W x 2.4"H

• 1 Year Warranty

POWERBASS ASA-700.5

4 ohm Power : 50W x 4 + 200 x 1

• 2 ohm Power : 100W x 4 + 400 x 1

• 4 ohm Mono Power : 200W x 2 + 400 x 1

• Peak Power : 1400W

• Total Harmonic Distortion :

• Frequency Response : 20Hz - 22,000Hz

• S/N Ratio : >94 dB/W/M

• Damping Factor : >150

• Input Sensitivity : 0.5 - 4.0 volts

• Crossover Slope : 12 dB

• High-Pass Crossover Freq : 40Hz - 250Hz

• Low-Pass Crossover Freq : 40Hz - 250Hz

• Variable Subwoofer EQ : 0/+18 dB

• Subwoofer EQ Frequency : 40Hz

• Dimensions : 14.9" x 9.3" x 1.9"

 

[WKD TC]

how much do you wanna spend on a new amp?

 

[DBBOOM 10+ year member]

On the budget your working with, and out of the ones listed, id would go with the hifonics. Ive run their amps with good results, the powerbass looks good also, but i cant comment on it because i dont have any experience with powerbass products. Also, i know the MBquart is a little more expensive, but i really think they are worth a little extra because of the sound quality.

 

[egold]

Thanks for your help so far.

 

[DBBOOM 10+ year member]

Thanks for your help so far.

No prob, you can PM me if you need to, im at work and sometimes hard to keep up with the posts.

 

[egold]

I was looking to spend up to 250.00 from what I've seen. There doesnt seem to be many 5 channel amps

 

[DBBOOM 10+ year member]

Not alot of demand for them, usually used when someone just wants more power and a sub. But doesnt want to do a full custom job.