New box for my box

[skateboardkid 10+ year member]

all quotes from "owner"

"they just want loud and system to go boom. Not about worrying how low a port should be tuned or how the interior of the box design should be - imo. That's what's great about a hobby which you turn into your own business - you get to do it the way YOU want and the best YOU can"

If this is the best you can, and you get ten pages of people telling you it is the most noob box they ever seen, its time to get a clue. Get a real designer not a MFG spec box builder. see the fisherdesigns thread.

" some like it LOUD and don't even care about what frequencies they're getting!"

But the person building the box should care, and you cant tell me that tuning in the high 40's is gonna play lil john the way a box tuned at 30 hz is going to.

I have rarely read such an ignorant statement, coming from a shop owner I cant believe it.

well when they tell you they want it loud next time try this formula

The port formula is 15-16 sqin of port area for each cubic foot of box volume, port 16 inches long. Remember, the port is tuned to the box volume, not the sub(s). THis will tune at 40Hz and is taken directly from DD's website. It might actually get some of your customers loud, and they definitly wont have port noise which your current designs seem like they might be plauged with.

wait there is more

"all you say is true - everytime we design an enclosure, we'll go what is recommended by the MFG."

so you don't design anything special? your lead designer has never build a bandpass box or anythign harder than MFG recomended sealed or ported box?

Ignorance is bliss i guess. Everyone is happy according to you.

 

[jlsmobilesound 10+ year member]

This is your most ignorant post as of yet. So if someone is not a complete audio fanatic it is okay to give him a mediocre box design that would not sound good to an audiophile like us. That is complete bullsh*t and the lamest cop out I have heard yet. This just completely ruined any respect I had for you and your shop. You just proved audioholics point that you cater to "noobs" and will install a system that doesnt sound good just because they do not know any better. My advice to you is step away from the keyboard before you run your name further into the ground.

I'm not here to win anybody's respect, let alone YOURS - just to voice my opinion in which I did. If you think it's ignorant that's your opinion and yours only. Others will have their own and if it's similar than fine. Other than that I take things at face value and continue to build my business on MY OWN opinions and values. Not that of some person on a forum telling me in which he feels what he thinks etc etc.

Fact of the matter IS WE HAVE AN ESTABLISHED business that has been running for several years now and gives customer's what they're looking for. Until then I'll continue to do business until things change. If in fact you and audioholic believe I cater to "noobs" - I would consider them as "noobs" as well because they're not as fanatic as most if not all of you are on here. They're (most) are REGULAR people with regular car audio needs - in some situations where one who *IS* a fanatic that comes in we cater to them accordingly! As for the "rep" of my shop - I let the business that continues to come in and the referrals we continue to receive speak for itself. THINK. BELIEVE, POST, COMMENT about anything you want to about it - JLS is here, and we'll be here to serve the clients that choose to come to us and want our service!

That's enough from me - like I said...we never claimed to cater to "Pros" - never have - never will! But we DO admit to giving the best service, salesmanship, and installs in our area!

 

[jlsmobilesound 10+ year member]

While I find your positive attitude towards these comments professional, and that's apreciated, as stated above, Im discouraged by your attitude that things we've mentioned here are strictly for 'audiophile' grade customers.
A solid stereo system is based upon a good foundation. A design that incorporates both sealed and ported systems, to play the same freq range, is not a good foundation. It may look 'flashy' and it may be out of the ordinary, but in the end its a STEREO and a stereo's main goal is to sound correct. As Ive stated before, it does not take a golden ear to hear fundamentally wrong, or fundamentally right. Your shop puts out (or almost did) a fundamentally bad design, and you characterize the criticism as people being too picky. You are a professional shop, people come to you to know and follow the basics and the fundamentals. Any jerk can screw boxes together willy-nilly, people come to you to get it right, not to get it 'right enough'. You are suppose to be picky too, don't you get that yet?

A good fabricator would find ways to add 'fash' without disrupting the foundation of the stereo system itself (compromising critical design elements). You say your shop caters everything from entry-level systems to 'full blown systems'. How can we read that comment with a straight face when your head fabricator doesn't even know enough not to mix sealed and ported enclosures? That's not a flame, its an honest question. Perhaps you are not understanding the fundamental flaw in your box guy's thinking. Its like taking your car to a mechanic, and having him tell you the tires should be mounted to the roof. And then he brags that they accomodate anything from simple oil changes to building full blown races cars... with the tires mounted to the roof aparently. That box, the box YOUR shop would have otherwise put out had we not said something, would have been like mounting tires to your roof.

You say your fabricator has proven himself to you, to your own ears. You yourself admit you are no expert in audio, so when we present you with a situation where 'your guy' made a fundamental (and frankly, embarrassing) mistake, you expect us to accept that its okay because he's proven to you that he knows what he is doing? Sir, that statement only makes you look worse, not better.

You can make excuses all you want (customers leave smiling, prospering business, etc) but in the end your shop almost put out a terribly embarrassing speaker box as a professional design. Sooner or later that sort of thing will catch up to you and your business.

At this point it is not up to your fabricator to grow. You are the boss, the owner, and you are now aware of the situation. The responsibility for fixing the 'problem' is yours. Its only how you chose to move forward with this information that is in question at this point.

All points taken - bottom line is this is the way you'd like to run business. Not myself - I agree with some things BUT I have other responsibilities within the business to take care of. *IF* leisurely there is time for me to indulge myself into forums, books, etc. I will...like I have now which began as a way to voice out for JLS. But all in all - nothings going to change your mind or anybody else's mind how they feel about our business methods. So I'm going to leave it as that. You're not going to change my mindset on how to run my business as well - because as it is we're still in business.

Again, points taken - and to be bluntly honest...the only offense I take is everybody telling us how to run the business. Everything else is just critcism which I'm taking as knowledge gained by true "fanatics". I actually agree with all the "methods" of building a box, measurements, etc. - THANKS.

But like I said - nothings going to change anybody's mind. So I'm going to leave it at that. Thanks honestly for everybody and anybody reading this thread because I do think it's educational!

 

[jlsmobilesound 10+ year member]

all quotes from "owner""they just want loud and system to go boom. Not about worrying how low a port should be tuned or how the interior of the box design should be - imo. That's what's great about a hobby which you turn into your own business - you get to do it the way YOU want and the best YOU can"

If this is the best you can, and you get ten pages of people telling you it is the most noob box they ever seen, its time to get a clue. Get a real designer not a MFG spec box builder. see the fisherdesigns thread.

" some like it LOUD and don't even care about what frequencies they're getting!"

But the person building the box should care, and you cant tell me that tuning in the high 40's is gonna play lil john the way a box tuned at 30 hz is going to.

I have rarely read such an ignorant statement, coming from a shop owner I cant believe it.

well when they tell you they want it loud next time try this formula

The port formula is 15-16 sqin of port area for each cubic foot of box volume, port 16 inches long. Remember, the port is tuned to the box volume, not the sub(s). THis will tune at 40Hz and is taken directly from DD's website. It might actually get some of your customers loud, and they definitly wont have port noise which your current designs seem like they might be plauged with.

wait there is more

"all you say is true - everytime we design an enclosure, we'll go what is recommended by the MFG."

so you don't design anything special? your lead designer has never build a bandpass box or anythign harder than MFG recomended sealed or ported box?

Ignorance is bliss i guess. Everyone is happy according to you.

Honestly, ignorance is bliss - otherwise salesman wouldn't be able to close deals, and companies wouldn't be able to sell worthless sh*t to people. AND if you honestly think all SUCCESSFUL business run on 100% purity - I'd scoff and laugh at you - imo! It's give and take and I said from the getgo - what we (JLS) try to maintain is a good rep and be as honest and forthright as we can in regards to our capabilities and work! Everything I'm hearing is technical jargon some of you are throwing at me - which I agree is the basis to build a great box - but it's not going to make a Stereo Shop with target market of NORMAL car audio consumers take into consideration the port length, volume of their box, etc. etc. If you feel this way - start a car audio fanatic brigade and go around giving tickets to all those "normal" recipients of pre-fab boxes and out-of-tuned sub boxes! I'd applaud you if you did because it'd show everybody your passion excels that of just a hobby!

Like I said before - nothing's going to change anybody's mind on here about what JLS is doing and/or designing their boxes. That's fine - I agree and understand you need to measure, tune, and design boxes a certain way with all of you. You guys read, study, eat, breath and sleep BASS/Box design! BUT as far as that goes...the way business will be run here with JLS will continue to do so because it has worked. I don't want to be redundant anymore so I'll leave it at that and tell everybody thanks! Especially, thanks to Steve for his patience on his vehicle!

BTW everybody is happy because referrals speak for themselves...only people I see upset are most members on here who are hardcore "fanatics" - do you guys realize not all our customers are bassheads? Thanks though for the technical info.

I guess the only people JLS has to upset are the hardcore bassheads on here...sorry!

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

*IF* leisurely there is time for me to indulge myself into forums, books, etc. I will...like I have now which began as a way to voice out for JLS. But all in all - nothings going to change your mind or anybody else's mind how they feel about our business methods. So I'm going to leave it as that.

So, if your leisure time permits, you will educate yourself on the info within the industry you chose to base your entire business on? Forgive me for not being overwhelmed at your dedication to improving your business. Hey, your current way is making you money, so why change right? Maybe some day you'll find the leisure time to investigate what ive told you, and see if your shop's fabricator is ignorant? Maybe some day you'll find the time to look into the accusation your shop is putting out piss-poor speaker box designs? I wont be holding my breath in anticipation.
Great attitude.

Fact of the matter IS WE HAVE AN ESTABLISHED business that has been running for several years now and gives customer's what they're looking for.

I believe that statement sums up your ignorance on the topic, or your simple refusal to admit it tp yourself. You give your customers what they are looking for? Id love to stand outside your shop and ask your otherwise happy customers if they realize their "professional" box is designed by an ignoramus. Id love to see if they are 'getting what they want' when I inform them their install may look flashy, but the fundamentals of the design are poor and hurt actual sonic performance. Id love to ask them if they purchased a product from you they will value for a long time, when one of their more knowledgeable friends informs them of the sad reality of their poor performing system.
Give your customers what they want? You are full of hot air. You sell them what you can, and what your ignorant fabricator knows how to do (very little aparently). You TELL THEM it sounds good, and they leave smiling. All is wonderful in your little world. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif Its like you dont even see how bad you make yourself look with your very own comments.

Yes, please keep pumping sunshine up our ***** about how well established your shop is, how it does better installs than any other local shop, how you are dedicated to customer satisfaction... while continuing to pump out piss poor speaker box designs simply because they sell. Its people like you that give people in the car audio field a bad name. A sheister that will sell snake oil if he can.

Im sure you find my comments upsetting, rude, whatever. But let me ask you this... what ever happened to the original, hideously flawed and amatuerly designed sealed/ported box your shop made? Did you destroy it once you came to realize it was flawed? Or, did you bury your head in the sand, believe your ignorant fabricator because its the easiest thing to do, and sit that POS box on your shelves to sell to some other dupe?

The honest business man who is interested in providing an up-front and professional service to their clients would have destroyed the box, or at least sat it in the back room till he figured out what was what with it (beyond listening to the same old shit from your fabricator). While the sheister would have thought 'darn, busted... guess i'll pawn that junk off on the next idiot that walks in here'. So I ask again, which are you? What happened to that junk box?

 

[jlsmobilesound 10+ year member]

So, if your leisure time permits, you will educate yourself on the info within the industry you chose to base your entire business on? Forgive me for not being overwhelmed at your dedication to improving your business. Hey, your current way is making you money, so why change right? Maybe some day you'll find the leisure time to investigate what ive told you, and see if your shop's fabricator is ignorant? Maybe some day you'll find the time to look into the accusation your shop is putting out piss-poor speaker box designs? I wont be holding my breath in anticipation.
Great attitude.

I believe that statement sums up your ignorance on the topic, or your simple refusal to admit it tp yourself. You give your customers what they are looking for? Id love to stand outside your shop and ask your otherwise happy customers if they realize their "professional" box is designed by an ignoramus. Id love to see if they are 'getting what they want' when I inform them their install may look flashy, but the fundamentals of the design are poor and hurt actual sonic performance. Id love to ask them if they purchased a product from you they will

value for a long time, when one of their more knowledgeable friends informs them of the sad reality of their poor performing system.

Give your customers what they want? You are full of hot air. You sell them what you can, and what your ignorant fabricator knows how to do (very little aparently). You TELL THEM it sounds good, and they leave smiling. All is wonderful in your little world. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif Its like you dont even see how bad you make yourself look with your very own comments.

Yes, please keep pumping sunshine up our ***** about how well established your shop is, how it does better installs than any other local shop, how you are dedicated to customer satisfaction... while continuing to pump out piss poor speaker box designs simply because they sell. Its people like you that give people in the car audio field a bad name. A sheister that will sell snake oil if he can.

Im sure you find my comments upsetting, rude, whatever. But let me ask you this... what ever happened to the original, hideously flawed and amatuerly designed sealed/ported box your shop made? Did you destroy it once you came to realize it was flawed? Or, did you bury your head in the sand, believe your ignorant fabricator because its the easiest thing to do, and sit that POS box on your shelves to sell to some other dupe?

The honest business man who is interested in providing an up-front and professional service to their clients would have destroyed the box, or at least sat it in the back room till he figured out what was what with it (beyond listening to the same old shit from your fabricator). While the sheister would have thought 'darn, busted... guess i'll pawn that junk off on the next idiot that walks in here'. So I ask again, which are you? What happened to that junk box?

LOL! Honestly, assumptions are being made where they shouldn't be. The business is ran by several partners to be honest with you and "fill" everybody with "hot air". EVERY comment everybody makes on here about us is assumptions. I again, just handle Marketing/PR (one of 2 partners). I shouldn't have the need to say all this but it seems to me some people around here "know-it-all" and can foresee everything and make judgments and calls before hearing everything about us.

Oh well, que sara sara, I honestly hope you are some wise and great person that advises many people about whatever your profession is...but unlike you I do not make assumptions base on little facts.

Back to the box - it's sitting in the fabrication room - where it'll eventually be finished, tuned, and possibly put into somebody's vehicle who actually likes it!

Honestly, I still don't have no animosity towards you audioholic - I respect the fact you have all this knowledge BUT you make a lot of assumptions about myself and our shop. I wish you wouldn't because believe it or not - we do take care of our clients! (In an industry like ours - it's hard to have a good rep but yet we maintain to!) As for everyone else - call us what you may, and make assumptions about us and our business because of a simple initial box design (which we changed promptly - once HE decided he didn't like it) but imo we're still taking care of our clients. AND have better reps if not the best reps than these "sheisty" other shops around s. cali!

ASSumptions just make you into one thing...without all the facts don't make judgements based on one "event".

Oh, btw - yes it is a business of mines...I run several to tell you the truth. My entire life doesn't run around "car audio" that's what managers/partners are for. BUT it does run around business. (Successful ones at that) JLS is a hobby/business! Think about that before assuming!

Kudos to you sir for these points so I can clear some assumptions..and have a great day!

Aside from all this...I've really expelled all the energy I can now.

 

[jlsmobilesound 10+ year member]

Yes, please keep pumping sunshine up our ***** about how well established your shop is, how it does better installs than any other local shop, how you are dedicated to customer satisfaction... while continuing to pump out piss poor speaker box designs simply because they sell. Its people like you that give people in the car audio field a bad name. A sheister that will sell snake oil if he can.

BTW I give you kudos for this phrase "pumping sunshine up our *****" - I think I'll call myself the "sunshine pumper" now! Thanks!

Honestly - I thought this was creative! LOL!

 

[speedfreak28 10+ year member]

so did this kid get his install done yet?? pics??

 

[steve c 10+ year member]

^^^ tomorrow maybe?

i'll get pics up as soon as i can

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

LOL! Honestly, assumptions are being made where they shouldn't be. The business is ran by several partners to be honest with you and "fill" everybody with "hot air". EVERY comment everybody makes on here about us is assumptions. I again, just handle Marketing/PR (one of 2 partners). I shouldn't have the need to say all this but it seems to me some people around here "know-it-all" and can foresee everything and make judgments and calls before hearing everything about us. Oh well, que sara sara, I honestly hope you are some wise and great person that advises many people about whatever your profession is...but unlike you I do not make assumptions base on little facts.

Back to the box - it's sitting in the fabrication room - where it'll eventually be finished, tuned, and possibly put into somebody's vehicle who actually likes it!

Honestly, I still don't have no animosity towards you audioholic - I respect the fact you have all this knowledge BUT you make a lot of assumptions about myself and our shop. I wish you wouldn't because believe it or not - we do take care of our clients! (In an industry like ours - it's hard to have a good rep but yet we maintain to!) As for everyone else - call us what you may, and make assumptions about us and our business because of a simple initial box design (which we changed promptly - once HE decided he didn't like it) but imo we're still taking care of our clients. AND have better reps if not the best reps than these "sheisty" other shops around s. cali!

ASSumptions just make you into one thing...without all the facts don't make judgements based on one "event".

Oh, btw - yes it is a business of mines...I run several to tell you the truth. My entire life doesn't run around "car audio" that's what managers/partners are for. BUT it does run around business. (Successful ones at that) JLS is a hobby/business! Think about that before assuming!

Kudos to you sir for these points so I can clear some assumptions..and have a great day!

Aside from all this...I've really expelled all the energy I can now.

Before I begin, I would like to apologize for my name calling in the previous post. While I may have my personal opinions, I should merely state my case without resorting to such conclusions. If the reader wants to come to that conclusion, or an entirely different one, that is fine. Either way, this discussion should be above that, Im glad it is remaining so. Thankyou.

Now, I would like to first say that I never asked for a financial or legal breakdown of your business and/or partnership. If me saying 'your entire business' made you feel I needed to be told you own more than one business, then you misunderstood my meaning. Linking the reputation of your entire business (meaning the entire shop's reputation) to one man's opinion was my meaning.

The only thing I think thats relevant to this discussion, that you said in reference to your partnership, was the implications of reposbility being on his shoulders. If your suggestion is that it is HIS callon technical matters in the car audio business, why are you the one here discussing the matter with us? I'll assume I misunderstood the implication, as it would be yet another person with whom you decided was responsbile, rather than yourself. If we should be talking to someone else, Id be glad to do so.

You say that I assume in your post. You say it alot in your post. Are you suggesting I assumed you were the sole owner? I did not, nor is it relevant. Again, if we should be talking to somoene else, why aren't we? Otherwise... hi.

The only thing I assumed, was that you would take this business serious enough that when someone you say you think is experienced tells you 'your guy' is making a fundamental error, and he denies it blatantly, that you would invest enough energy into finding out the truth. Agin, the energy it would take to purchase one book, and spend a few evenings in bed skimming it. Heck many enthusiasts with much less to gain (or lose) than someone who owns a business in field reads this book. Instead, you expell your energy on this board playing fire-fighter to a problem 'your guy' created in the first place.

If you are 'just the PR guy' so to speak (no disrespect to PR, you know what I mean), have you discussed this situation with the person who aparently is into the techical details of the business? Is it being addressed? All you've told us basically is you (not your partner, not your banker, you) talked to your fabricator, and you (not your partner, not your banker, you) decided you believed his word was enough to not expel the leisure time necessary to read a book.

I mentioned earlier linking your entire shop's rep to one man's word. It could be argued its my word versus his. He could make all the excuses he wants, like it fills all the frequencies, or he's seen it done successfully somewhere else, or HE thinks it sounds good... but in the end he's obviously just telling you his way is the way it is. On the other hand, Im referring you to literature, written by a well known and respected expert in the field, who will most definitely disagree with your guy. See any problem here?

So it comes down to having your cake and eating it too. Are we to believe you are dedicated to quality service for your customers, when you are unwilling or unable to spend the time finding out if you have a problem with a key element of one of your businesses? I guess it boils down to you dont think its a key enough element to worry, because as you say, you still have happy customers leaving your shop (ie: turning a profit). That's the cake.

Sure, we're professional as professional can get in this business

And that's the eating it too. ^

You are as "professional and professional can get" and yet you dont have the 'leisure time' required to investigate this issue with your buiness. And your excuse is that you own more than one business?

Oh, btw - yes it is a business of mines...I run several to tell you the truth. My entire life doesn't run around "car audio" that's what managers/partners are for. BUT it does run around business. (Successful ones at that) JLS is a hobby/business! Think about that before assuming!

What does hobby/business mean? Is that another way of saying "we're professional as professional can get in this business"?

As for everyone else - call us what you may, and make assumptions about us and our business because of a simple initial box design (which we changed promptly - once HE decided he didn't like it) but imo we're still taking care of our clients. AND have better reps if not the best reps than these "sheisty" other shops around s. cali!

This is about than a simple box design. Again you appear to not take this situation very seriously, not much beyond wanting to save the black eye your shop is aparently getting here. Are you honestly telling me you believe this discussion has been about the box, rather than the implications of such a design coming from your 'professional' shop? Do I need to explain the difference? I hope not.
Again, cake + eating it too. You want us to believe you pure intentions with your customer's well being, and your shop's desire for professionalism and excellence above your peers, yet you also wants us to swallow the fact you are still planning on selling that box knowing (you knowing) that there may or may not be a problem with it, but that you dont have enough leisure time to address finding out.

Oh well, que sara sara, I honestly hope you are some wise and great person that advises many people about whatever your profession is...but unlike you I do not make assumptions base on little facts.

This I definitely want to address. You toss the word assumption at me like a wet fish. You say i work with few facts. Ive patiently checked, read, and responded to this thread for how many evenings now? Ive given you every opportunity in that time to present facts. Frankly, Ive held back with my thoughts and comments, because Im dealing with a professional business owner here. But now you are starting to attempt to turn this onto my shoulders now, as if I (and my golden ears) am responsible for not knowing the facts. By all means, share with us these facts.
the only facts Ive been presented with were..

1) YOUR customer comes here to show off YOUR box design. Heck he wasn't even questioning it, he was proud.

2) YOU come here personally to defend YOUR business, and dive us (you and me) into this very conversation.

3) YOU defend your box builder's flawed and amatuer design.

4) YOU tell us YOU wil still sell the flawed box to another customer without finding out if it really is a 'bad box', while trying to convince us how your shop is as professional as it gets in this "hobby/business".

5) YOU tell ME, a bystander who has enough knowledge to step in and say something, that Im assuming based on ignorance.

I am not in the business of advising people on how to run a business, Im just a guy on a message board who saw a picture of a ridiculously amateur box, designed by YOUR professional shop, and said something. Act like Im assuming about whatever voodoo facts you want, I have no personal gain in this arguement, you do. Lets not forget that while casting the stone of bad intentions.

ASSumptions just make you into one thing...without all the facts don't make judgements based on one "event".

Again you will have us believe your understanding of this conversation has not reached beyond the scope of this "one event"? Still?
Will somebody, ANYBODY, in your enitre organization just read the freakin book? This is getting absurd.

 

[Vipervenom18 10+ year member]

That enclosure is utterly retarded in design... Jesus.

 

[bigbangtheory 5,000+ posts]

This is one of the many reasons why I never disagree with audioholic, lol! Guy is full of info. Info you should look into JLS. We have (mainly audioholic) tried to explain to you over and over about your box guy and then 99% of the time your comeback is "you are all just assuming." Ok, but maybe, just maybe come down off your high horse so to speak.

Which you won't, cause you will run your business with your partners the way you want and keep your shitty box guy and give out false hope to the "noobs" of the car audio world when in fact you could be helping explain the "Right way" on how to install some audio or god forbid build a simple susan box the right way. I know that is not on you, but your fab guy. Thing is you come on here sticking up for him over and over again. Pretty much everyone that has responded in this thread has given you piece of mind and we all agree for the most part. So don't you see something might be wrong here?

I guess this is useless anymore and good thing I am bored at work. I do LP wich is Loss Prevention. I am just gonna let people go through our metal detectors beeping with out checking them, cause you know that is how I roll!

Also you say you are done with this, yet you keep coming back to banter with us. Got to love these very forums. Welcome to the dark side. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[shashoke 10+ year member]

the point i think a lot of people are trying to make is that:

A. Steve expected your shop to provide him with something he couldn't or didn't want to do, which was provide him a box. He also expected JLS to be professional, not in just business or what have you, but professional in car audio. That means KNOWLEDGEABLE. The Fabricator, designer, crack dealer, w/e. That person should known the very simple basics of car audio. YOU DO NOT RUN PORTED WITH SEALED. There have been so many examples of what you just produced and how it is related to crap, and there have been numerous explanations of why a lot of people thought that. I have been continually been thinking of how better to explain it to you, tires on car roofs was a pretty good example from one of the above posts. But, don't you get it? Its the equivalent of dropping someone's hamburger on the floor and passing it off as fresh and tasty anyways. That box, even if steve didn't know better and liked it anyways, broke the VERY BASIC RULE of not running ported with sealed; and JLS should have known better.

Because of this, the next reasonable thought from someone seeing this is, wtf is wrong with the fabricator, designer, crack dealer, w/e. What could he be thinking? OMG get the torches lets burn him alive! Hence the flames on mr. fabricator / crk dealer.

B. Which then jumps into the next point - which is, "hey man, maybe you should check out your fabricator, designer, crack dealer, w/e". However, you backed him up. Which I would too, no doubt. (Very Admirable of you, even though your business is getting a //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/blackeye.gif.66a1670f5aaf7f406e783a63e3387dc5.gif ) But then, you go on to say stuff about this and that, how you do or don't cater to noobs, how you wish you didn't jump into this convo at all, or why crunchy pbj sandwiches completely decimate creamy pbj sandwiches (which they do). Oh did i say that you admitted to going ahead, later on, to selling that thing you call a subwoofer enclosure anyways? ... I hope you don't own a Mcdonald's too.. In the end, do you know what this makes you look like? very very //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/greedy.gif.5a53e6246569d7ab79867170f3b06629.gif

The bottom line is, this thread probably won't get anywhere else, due to pride or lack of interest.

ps: Give your PR guy a raise, he was actually making you guys come off as misconstrued. I mean, he really did a ****ed good job. I had my popcorn all ready for a massively brutal attack on your company and i got disappointed because ol' spin doctor here did his job...But then Mr. Fabricator comes and seizes the day (once again) by blowing his mouth off and making you guys look like jerks.

Oh and audioholic and others were trying to help you (basic rules of car audio- dont mix subs, look both ways before crossing the street, etc). Read the book.

and mad props to audioholic for 1) Restraint. (I know man.. I know..) 2) Actually saying stuff to try and help the guy

honorable mention: Jmanpc

Bed time yo.

 

[jlsmobilesound 10+ year member]

the point i think a lot of people are trying to make is that:
A. Steve expected your shop to provide him with something he couldn't or didn't want to do, which was provide him a box. He also expected JLS to be professional, not in just business or what have you, but professional in car audio. That means KNOWLEDGEABLE. The Fabricator, designer, crack dealer, w/e. That person should known the very simple basics of car audio. YOU DO NOT RUN PORTED WITH SEALED. There have been so many examples of what you just produced and how it is related to crap, and there have been numerous explanations of why a lot of people thought that. I have been continually been thinking of how better to explain it to you, tires on car roofs was a pretty good example from one of the above posts. But, don't you get it? Its the equivalent of dropping someone's hamburger on the floor and passing it off as fresh and tasty anyways. That box, even if steve didn't know better and liked it anyways, broke the VERY BASIC RULE of not running ported with sealed; and JLS should have known better.

Because of this, the next reasonable thought from someone seeing this is, wtf is wrong with the fabricator, designer, crack dealer, w/e. What could he be thinking? OMG get the torches lets burn him alive! Hence the flames on mr. fabricator / crk dealer.

B. Which then jumps into the next point - which is, "hey man, maybe you should check out your fabricator, designer, crack dealer, w/e". However, you backed him up. Which I would too, no doubt. (Very Admirable of you, even though your business is getting a //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/blackeye.gif.66a1670f5aaf7f406e783a63e3387dc5.gif ) But then, you go on to say stuff about this and that, how you do or don't cater to noobs, how you wish you didn't jump into this convo at all, or why crunchy pbj sandwiches completely decimate creamy pbj sandwiches (which they do). Oh did i say that you admitted to going ahead, later on, to selling that thing you call a subwoofer enclosure anyways? ... I hope you don't own a Mcdonald's too.. In the end, do you know what this makes you look like? very very //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/greedy.gif.5a53e6246569d7ab79867170f3b06629.gif

The bottom line is, this thread probably won't get anywhere else, due to pride or lack of interest.

ps: Give your PR guy a raise, he was actually making you guys come off as misconstrued. I mean, he really did a ****ed good job. I had my popcorn all ready for a massively brutal attack on your company and i got disappointed because ol' spin doctor here did his job...But then Mr. Fabricator comes and seizes the day (once again) by blowing his mouth off and making you guys look like jerks.

Oh and audioholic and others were trying to help you (basic rules of car audio- dont mix subs, look both ways before crossing the street, etc). Read the book.

and mad props to audioholic for 1) Restraint. (I know man.. I know..) 2) Actually saying stuff to try and help the guy

honorable mention: Jmanpc

Bed time yo.

Hey just to put this to a close (i hope)..

I do respect all the advice and points made by everybody on here, especially Audioholic (you know your stuff and I respect you for that, let alone taking time to post/comment about this) - you guys have shown and do know your enclosure design/subs. I don't question that.

IMO you guys are judging us (JLS) based on this one event..that's fine - everybody is granted their own opinions! That's what's great about this great US of A!

And now like most have agreed - it's getting pointless and people will continue to make comments/posts and I'll ONLY come on to defend us if I feel the need to. (but now I will not do so because honestly, it's getting pointless.)

As far as this forum - it is VERY informative, helpful, and a nice resource to have for anybody interested in the "car audio" scene.

As far as business goes - no, I don't own a McDonald's (if I did I'd probably have more time being that it makes a lot of moey), but I do have other business' which I tend too..which doesn't give me MUCH time to post but I do when I see the need to. (I agree this place can be addicting..)

Long story short - I think everybody's tired of all the bantering (granted some of it is educational - and in some eye's we're making ourselves look bad) BUT in my eyes I'm standing up for our beliefs and our business practices...that's my job and I will continue to do so.

Thanks for everybody's time on this - this will HOPEFULLY be my last post.

 

[energizedsbs 10+ year member]

http://www.jlsmobilesound.com/about.html

is this your store?