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<blockquote data-quote="audioholic" data-source="post: 3957201" data-attributes="member: 549629"><p>Before I begin, I would like to apologize for my name calling in the previous post. While I may have my personal opinions, I should merely state my case without resorting to such conclusions. If the reader wants to come to that conclusion, or an entirely different one, that is fine. Either way, this discussion should be above that, Im glad it is remaining so. Thankyou.</p><p></p><p>Now, I would like to first say that I never asked for a financial or legal breakdown of your business and/or partnership. If me saying 'your entire business' made you feel I needed to be told you own more than one business, then you misunderstood my meaning. Linking the reputation of your entire business (meaning the entire shop's reputation) to one man's opinion was my meaning.</p><p></p><p>The only thing I think thats relevant to this discussion, that you said in reference to your partnership, was the implications of reposbility being on his shoulders. If your suggestion is that it is HIS callon technical matters in the car audio business, why are you the one here discussing the matter with us? I'll assume I misunderstood the implication, as it would be yet another person with whom you decided was responsbile, rather than yourself. If we should be talking to someone else, Id be glad to do so.</p><p></p><p>You say that I assume in your post. You say it alot in your post. Are you suggesting I assumed you were the sole owner? I did not, nor is it relevant. Again, if we should be talking to somoene else, why aren't we? Otherwise... hi.</p><p></p><p>The only thing I assumed, was that you would take this business serious enough that when someone you say you think is experienced tells you 'your guy' is making a fundamental error, and he denies it blatantly, that you would invest enough energy into finding out the truth. Agin, the energy it would take to purchase one book, and spend a few evenings in bed skimming it. Heck many enthusiasts with much less to gain (or lose) than someone who owns a business in field reads this book. Instead, you expell your energy on this board playing fire-fighter to a problem 'your guy' created in the first place.</p><p></p><p>If you are 'just the PR guy' so to speak (no disrespect to PR, you know what I mean), have you discussed this situation with the person who aparently is into the techical details of the business? Is it being addressed? All you've told us basically is you (not your partner, not your banker, you) talked to your fabricator, and you (not your partner, not your banker, you) decided you believed his word was enough to not expel the leisure time necessary to read a book.</p><p></p><p>I mentioned earlier linking your entire shop's rep to one man's word. It could be argued its my word versus his. He could make all the excuses he wants, like it fills all the frequencies, or he's seen it done successfully somewhere else, or HE thinks it sounds good... but in the end he's obviously just telling you his way is the way it is. On the other hand, Im referring you to literature, written by a well known and respected expert in the field, who will most definitely disagree with your guy. See any problem here?</p><p></p><p>So it comes down to having your cake and eating it too. Are we to believe you are dedicated to quality service for your customers, when you are unwilling or unable to spend the time finding out if you have a problem with a key element of one of your businesses? I guess it boils down to you dont think its a key enough element to worry, because as you say, you still have happy customers leaving your shop (ie: turning a profit). <em>That's the cake.</em></p><p></p><p><em>And that's the eating it too. ^</em></p><p></p><p>You are as "professional and professional can get" and yet you dont have the 'leisure time' required to investigate this issue with your buiness. And your excuse is that you own more than one business?</p><p></p><p>What does hobby/business mean? Is that another way of saying "<em>we're professional as professional can get in this business</em>"?</p><p>This is about than a simple box design. Again you appear to not take this situation very seriously, not much beyond wanting to save the black eye your shop is aparently getting here. Are you honestly telling me you believe this discussion has been about <strong>the box</strong>, rather than the implications of such a design coming from your 'professional' shop? Do I need to explain the difference? I hope not.</p><p>Again, cake + eating it too. You want us to believe you pure intentions with your customer's well being, and your shop's desire for professionalism and excellence above your peers, yet you also wants us to swallow the fact you are still planning on selling that box knowing (<strong>you</strong> knowing) that there may or may not be a problem with it, but that you dont have enough leisure time to address finding out.</p><p></p><p>This I definitely want to address. You toss the word assumption at me like a wet fish. You say i work with few facts. Ive patiently checked, read, and responded to this thread for how many evenings now? Ive given you every opportunity in that time to present facts. Frankly, Ive held back with my thoughts and comments, because Im dealing with a professional business owner here. But now you are starting to attempt to turn this onto my shoulders now, as if I (and my golden ears) am responsible for not knowing the facts. By all means, share with us these facts.</p><p>the only facts Ive been presented with were..</p><p></p><p>1) YOUR customer comes here to show off YOUR box design. Heck he wasn't even questioning it, he was proud.</p><p></p><p>2) YOU come here personally to defend YOUR business, and dive us (you and me) into this very conversation.</p><p></p><p>3) YOU defend your box builder's flawed and amatuer design.</p><p></p><p>4) YOU tell us YOU wil still sell the flawed box to another customer without finding out if it really is a 'bad box', while trying to convince us how your shop is as professional as it gets in this "hobby/business".</p><p></p><p>5) YOU tell ME, a bystander who has enough knowledge to step in and say something, that Im assuming based on ignorance.</p><p></p><p>I am not in the business of advising people on how to run a business, Im just a guy on a message board who saw a picture of a ridiculously amateur box, designed by YOUR professional shop, and said something. Act like Im assuming about whatever voodoo facts you want, I have no personal gain in this arguement, you do. Lets not forget that while casting the stone of bad intentions.</p><p></p><p>Again you will have us believe your understanding of this conversation has not reached beyond the scope of this "one event"? Still?</p><p>Will somebody, ANYBODY, in your enitre organization just read the freakin book? This is getting absurd.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="audioholic, post: 3957201, member: 549629"] Before I begin, I would like to apologize for my name calling in the previous post. While I may have my personal opinions, I should merely state my case without resorting to such conclusions. If the reader wants to come to that conclusion, or an entirely different one, that is fine. Either way, this discussion should be above that, Im glad it is remaining so. Thankyou. Now, I would like to first say that I never asked for a financial or legal breakdown of your business and/or partnership. If me saying 'your entire business' made you feel I needed to be told you own more than one business, then you misunderstood my meaning. Linking the reputation of your entire business (meaning the entire shop's reputation) to one man's opinion was my meaning. The only thing I think thats relevant to this discussion, that you said in reference to your partnership, was the implications of reposbility being on his shoulders. If your suggestion is that it is HIS callon technical matters in the car audio business, why are you the one here discussing the matter with us? I'll assume I misunderstood the implication, as it would be yet another person with whom you decided was responsbile, rather than yourself. If we should be talking to someone else, Id be glad to do so. You say that I assume in your post. You say it alot in your post. Are you suggesting I assumed you were the sole owner? I did not, nor is it relevant. Again, if we should be talking to somoene else, why aren't we? Otherwise... hi. The only thing I assumed, was that you would take this business serious enough that when someone you say you think is experienced tells you 'your guy' is making a fundamental error, and he denies it blatantly, that you would invest enough energy into finding out the truth. Agin, the energy it would take to purchase one book, and spend a few evenings in bed skimming it. Heck many enthusiasts with much less to gain (or lose) than someone who owns a business in field reads this book. Instead, you expell your energy on this board playing fire-fighter to a problem 'your guy' created in the first place. If you are 'just the PR guy' so to speak (no disrespect to PR, you know what I mean), have you discussed this situation with the person who aparently is into the techical details of the business? Is it being addressed? All you've told us basically is you (not your partner, not your banker, you) talked to your fabricator, and you (not your partner, not your banker, you) decided you believed his word was enough to not expel the leisure time necessary to read a book. I mentioned earlier linking your entire shop's rep to one man's word. It could be argued its my word versus his. He could make all the excuses he wants, like it fills all the frequencies, or he's seen it done successfully somewhere else, or HE thinks it sounds good... but in the end he's obviously just telling you his way is the way it is. On the other hand, Im referring you to literature, written by a well known and respected expert in the field, who will most definitely disagree with your guy. See any problem here? So it comes down to having your cake and eating it too. Are we to believe you are dedicated to quality service for your customers, when you are unwilling or unable to spend the time finding out if you have a problem with a key element of one of your businesses? I guess it boils down to you dont think its a key enough element to worry, because as you say, you still have happy customers leaving your shop (ie: turning a profit). [I]That's the cake.[/I] [I]And that's the eating it too. ^[/I] You are as "professional and professional can get" and yet you dont have the 'leisure time' required to investigate this issue with your buiness. And your excuse is that you own more than one business? What does hobby/business mean? Is that another way of saying "[I]we're professional as professional can get in this business[/I]"? This is about than a simple box design. Again you appear to not take this situation very seriously, not much beyond wanting to save the black eye your shop is aparently getting here. Are you honestly telling me you believe this discussion has been about [B]the box[/B], rather than the implications of such a design coming from your 'professional' shop? Do I need to explain the difference? I hope not. Again, cake + eating it too. You want us to believe you pure intentions with your customer's well being, and your shop's desire for professionalism and excellence above your peers, yet you also wants us to swallow the fact you are still planning on selling that box knowing ([B]you[/B] knowing) that there may or may not be a problem with it, but that you dont have enough leisure time to address finding out. This I definitely want to address. You toss the word assumption at me like a wet fish. You say i work with few facts. Ive patiently checked, read, and responded to this thread for how many evenings now? Ive given you every opportunity in that time to present facts. Frankly, Ive held back with my thoughts and comments, because Im dealing with a professional business owner here. But now you are starting to attempt to turn this onto my shoulders now, as if I (and my golden ears) am responsible for not knowing the facts. By all means, share with us these facts. the only facts Ive been presented with were.. 1) YOUR customer comes here to show off YOUR box design. Heck he wasn't even questioning it, he was proud. 2) YOU come here personally to defend YOUR business, and dive us (you and me) into this very conversation. 3) YOU defend your box builder's flawed and amatuer design. 4) YOU tell us YOU wil still sell the flawed box to another customer without finding out if it really is a 'bad box', while trying to convince us how your shop is as professional as it gets in this "hobby/business". 5) YOU tell ME, a bystander who has enough knowledge to step in and say something, that Im assuming based on ignorance. I am not in the business of advising people on how to run a business, Im just a guy on a message board who saw a picture of a ridiculously amateur box, designed by YOUR professional shop, and said something. Act like Im assuming about whatever voodoo facts you want, I have no personal gain in this arguement, you do. Lets not forget that while casting the stone of bad intentions. Again you will have us believe your understanding of this conversation has not reached beyond the scope of this "one event"? Still? Will somebody, ANYBODY, in your enitre organization just read the freakin book? This is getting absurd. [/QUOTE]
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