Need wiring help! 2 DVC subs

Another option for a 6.5 sub...and at $40 now

 
Because if somebody took the time to make one long sticky for those that are learning, it would cut down on AT LEAST half of the new threads. Then, a few people on here couldn't make much progress on that post count.

Even just writing down "Use RMS numbers and match speaker Ohms to Amplifier Ohms" would cut down 2-3 threads a week. There's a couple people on here that would have so much extra time on their hands, they might get so bored they would have to go and get real jobs.
You do know that traffic creates revenue?
 
That is the only speaker or subwoofer they have left other then a couple loaded setups. Nothing is left up there but that subwoofer, 3 different low rms loaded enclosures, 2 cca kits and a distro block.

I have a set of the 12" Maximus 1250 rms subwoofers. I paid 110 a piece for them in dual 4 ohm just to try. All in all for a budget subwoofer they are not bad. I still prefer the Fi Xv3's I have for the deeper sound but they are actually a decent subwoofer. I must have gotten the last set or one of the last sets when I ordered 3 or 4 months ago as right after that the website was cleared of them.

For 40 bucks might be worth it but no warranty no support at all from them so take that into consideration as well.
 
That is the only speaker or subwoofer they have left other then a couple loaded setups. Nothing is left up there but that subwoofer, 3 different low rms loaded enclosures, 2 cca kits and a distro block.

I have a set of the 12" Maximus 1250 rms subwoofers. I paid 110 a piece for them in dual 4 ohm just to try. All in all for a budget subwoofer they are not bad. I still prefer the Fi Xv3's I have for the deeper sound but they are actually a decent subwoofer. I must have gotten the last set or one of the last sets when I ordered 3 or 4 months ago as right after that the website was cleared of them.

For 40 bucks might be worth it but no warranty no support at all from them so take that into consideration as well.
I'm getting a set of those javelin 10's for my bedroom 😂

I got my buddy one for his bday and it sounds good in his truck...my armada 12's sounded great (kinda wish I'd kept them now 😂)
 
Okay here it goes.

First, not going to cover wiring example 1, it’s not correct for series wiring or any wiring for that matter, you have one connection that works and one that is shorted so we’ll ignore it for now. Don’t worry about series for now; it’s not relevant here given the equipment you want to use.

Figure 2(right): These are the same subs but now with a weaker amp https://www.kicker.com/CXA4001-400-Watt-Mono-Class-D-Subwoofer-Amp.

  1. Is this wiring correct for 1 ohm load?
Example 2 gives you a 1ohm load and is correct.

  1. If wiring is good, the amp is sending both speakers 200w each right?
Technically the output will be equal to both (all woofers in this setup) and will be the sum total of the amp’s output at any given volume relative to the amplifiers rated power devided by the total number of woofers. The amp does not see 1, 2 or 5 speakers, it sees all woofers as one speaker when using a mono configuration like this.

  1. 200w is fine even if a little higher than sub RMS right?
You listed an 800 watt Kicker amp that is 1ohm stable and it will be fine in this setup, but we’ll cover other options that may give you more for the same $$ or the same for less $$, later. So yes, this amp will work; I just think there are better options for the money. I always run amps that are rated higher than my subs for reasons we can cover later if need be. There are a lot more options at the $299 price that this amp is going for.

This works? Yes, this will work fine.

PART 2

Important part over, now just some general clarifications.

  1. I've read stuff like 4 ohm is clearer…
The resistance rating (ohms) has nothing to do with the amps clarity. Good quality amps are clean, lousy quality amps are not.

  1. 1 ohm is louder, and 2 is in between. Is this referring to the ohm load? or sub ohms? Are they even different enough at this power to even matter?
Ohms are a measure of resistance the amplifier sees (referred to here as the impedance load) after all the woofers are connected to it.

A higher load (like 8ohms) = higher resistance read by the amplifier = lower output from the amplifier.

A lower load (like 1ohm) = lower resistance and the more output the amplifier will deliver.

Any number in-between is relative to the load the amplifier sees as stated in the afore mentioned examples.

  1. Is it best to match the ohm load to the subs ohm or does this not matter?
What matters is that once you know the impedance load of the sub configuration that the amp sees, you just need to be sure that the amp is stable at that impedance load, which this Kicker is.

Given the two setups, the cxa400.1 is still less taxing on the car's electrical system right?

Let’s not worry about the 400 watt amp, not thinking you're going to use it. ;)

That said, this is where things get a little more complicated. Generally speaking, yes. A higher output amp or the combination of multiple amps output demands current commensurately; higher output, more current (amperage) is needed the higher the rated output is of the total demand for all the amps combined. Exceed the alternators ability to replentish that which is taken from the electrical system and you will tax the electrical system. The numbers aren’t linear or that simple though. It has to do with efficiency ratings and other things that I really don’t think you need to worry about with a 4 x 150 channel amp and an 800 to 1200 watt subwoofer amp and I'm guessing here but I bet that 4x150 is more like 4x75 anyway. It's also not driving power hungry suwoofers either.

Getting a big 3 upgrade and replacing your stock battery with the largest high quality battery you can squeeze under the hood and adding 1-2 farad high quality cap in line with the sub amp will suffice in this scenario. Unless your alternator is really puny, you should be okay. You will want to run 1/0 AWG OFC cable to distribution blocks and the appropriate 1/0 or 4AWG wire to the amps. You’ll need to fuse the leads at the battery (I use quick acting breakers under the hood) and fuses near the amplifiers, even if the amps have built in fuses. It’s more about protecting the wire from catching fire as it is protecting the amplifiers. Fuses/breakers are a lot cheaper than a car on fire!

Hope this helps.
thanks for the long reply I really need all the help I can get lol.
The big three I definitely plan to do at some point.

could you give me some more info on figure 1 though?

audiobaun posted the attached diagram. I see diagrams like this and I fail to see the difference with my figure 1. In my mind they are the same besides that my figure 1 forks earlier at the output terminals the attached diagram forks later. Could you tell me why these different diagrams don't behave the same way?
 

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Another option for a 6.5 sub...and at $40 now

Dang, big moter, spider, bumped back plate, at that price, might have to get 3 or 4 just because!
 
The ONLY way I would ever use these is if you somehow only have holes for 6 1/2" (which would be designed for midwoofers), don't need any more mids that were designed to fit in those holes, and ABSOLUTELY DON'T HAVE room for a 10" or even an 8" slim sub.

They're small, low wattage, and I would take a single 10" over these all day, for several reasons.


Are you mounting these in a door?
What's the rest of the system?
Why are you going with 6 3/4 subwoofers, and not a single larger sub?
yup there are existing woofers in either footwell. plus my car is pretty tiny and the stock ones do good enough on their own honestly so I figure that the amped up 6.75 should be good.
 
thanks for the long reply I really need all the help I can get lol.
The big three I definitely plan to do at some point.

could you give me some more info on figure 1 though?

audiobaun posted the attached diagram. I see diagrams like this and I fail to see the difference with my figure 1. In my mind they are the same besides that my figure 1 forks earlier at the output terminals the attached diagram forks later. Could you tell me why these different diagrams don't behave the same way?
 
Personally I am curious to who he is taking shots at with the real jobs comment.

You do realize a couple of us are disabled for life correct? Like myself after 122 surgeries & one of the rarest genetic syndromes on the planet. And that a couple others are retired?
Soooo maybe a few of us.
You do know that traffic creates revenue?
For you?

yup there are existing woofers in either footwell. plus my car is pretty tiny and the stock ones do good enough on their own honestly so I figure that the amped up 6.75 should be good.
If you just said, you are replacing stock 6.5" with these, then those stock 6.5" are midwoofers, not subs. They are for a different frequency range, and you will ruin how it sounds if you don't compensate for the loss.
 
I'm sorry, I was incorrect on that initial post, blurry vision and up late night, that is a series connection and it’s correct, I’ve edited the response. As for this question, think of each coil as its own speaker. It’s effectively two motors with one cone (a V12 instead of a V6). This is regardless of the number of coils total in any configuration as the math equation is the same and when applied, the result is the sum of it's parts. Since we’re talking about resistance (ohms), when you wire any coil(s) in series or parallel, think of the current flow. In a series connection you start at the amps (+) to the first coil leads (+), then go to the other coil leads (-), then from the 2nd coil leads (+) back to the first coil lead (-) and on to the amps (-). The flow is linear (in a straight line) which increases the resistant load. Amp (+) to woofer (+) > (-) > (+) > (-) and back to amp (-). A parallel connection is not linear and reduces or halves the load the amplifier sees. Amp (+) to woofer (+/+) and woofer (-/-) back to the amp (-), not linear and it halves the resistance. Parallel is (+/+) to and from and (-/-) to and from simultaneously, series is start here, go all the way through the circuit and back to the amp. Electricity will always follow the path of least resistance so a parallel connection, short drive there and back, (least resistance) allows more power to flow, series connection, longer drive = more resistance, prevents more power to flow. This is not exactly the complete reason but for most it‘s a good visual.
 
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Something like these might be a better fit for replacing stock woofers
Silver Flutes are nice drivers for sure. This woofer, in a5 1/2 or 7" is a giant killer too.

 
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