low notes = sub excursion = no bass?

I thought ported boxes tuned in the 30-34hz range were the best for the lows and sealed boxs were for overall range of freq. and not as much as the low end of what the ported was tuned to? Some1 enlighten me

 
if you are coming out the sub jacks on the deck...make sure it is set for through/full ...most pioneer decks there is no way of doing that on the sub jacks...and a lot of mono amps you can't turn off the crossover....so that gives the amp a potential of 2 LP signals that it could see....

 
if you are coming out the sub jacks on the deck...make sure it is set for through/full ...most pioneer decks there is no way of doing that on the sub jacks...and a lot of mono amps you can't turn off the crossover....so that gives the amp a potential of 2 LP signals that it could see....
If his speaker is flopping around, only on the low notes, I think we can rule that out. If he wasn't getting much signal due to it being crossed over, the amp wouldn't produce juice, and the speaker wouldn't move.

His woofer is playing below tuning frequency. I even double checked one of the songs in question, to be sure that it's particularly low. And he's right. Some of the notes are below his Fb.

 
if you are coming out the sub jacks on the deck...make sure it is set for through/full ...most pioneer decks there is no way of doing that on the sub jacks...and a lot of mono amps you can't turn off the crossover....so that gives the amp a potential of 2 LP signals that it could see....
what do you mean? Only think I have coming off my HU is RCA's and remote.

In this song http://www.caraudio.com/forum/showthread.php?t=386620 the lowest note is what made me notice this happening this morning. idk the freq. of it.

 
I thought ported boxes tuned in the 30-34hz range were the best for the lows and sealed boxs were for overall range of freq. and not as much as the low end of what the ported was tuned to? Some1 enlighten me
Sealed boxes roll off at a lower rate than ported. Both can get very low, assuming the box size and tuning is designed to do so.

Here's the problem.... Boxes in cars are small.... I know, it doesn't seem like it, but they are.

Say it with me: "car subs are in small boxes". I hope that doesn't sound rude, but always remember that mantra. Car speakers are all designed for small boxes, even the ones that seem to take big ones.

Ok, so here's the issue. Cars boost bass because the car itself is small.

It's called transfer function. That's why we can get great bass in a car. The speaker/enclosure is designed to be tiny compared to what it would need, in say, a large concert hall.

So, the trick is that you can tune a box higher in a car, and still get solid bass, because the car boosts those notes.... Until you get really low. A 4th order box (vented) rolls off at 24db on the low end, but a 2nd ordered (sealed) rolls off at 12db. This is a factor of physics. If you want specifics as to how this works, I can shoot some links out, but essentially it has to do with dampening.

It's also why amps have subsonic filters. You set your subsonic filter just below your tuning frequency to help avoid damaging your woofer. A sealed design doesn't need this. The excursion of the woofer stays steady with the frequency (though lower frequencies take more excursion no matter what, to produce the same db that humans hear), where a ported acts as if it isn't in a box at all, once it gets about a half octave below its' tuning frequency. At that point, all dampening is lost, and you might as well be holding it in your hands, because the box isn't doing anything to resist the pressure and keep it moving linearly.

 
my friend the same thing happen to his system. he had two 12 jbl gti subs. the woofers just move really crazy and you can fell the air. the amp setting was the problem. just play with your setting on the amp. i think on his the installer had the gain turn all the way up. took it to a different shop and the play around with it and it sounded fined after that.

 
my friend the same thing happen to his system. he had two 12 jbl gti subs. the woofers just move really crazy and you can fell the air. the amp setting was the problem. just play with your setting on the amp. i think on his the installer had the gain turn all the way up. took it to a different shop and the play around with it and it sounded fined after that.
Were they ported or sealed? I had a w15GTImk2, which I loved, but the ported boxes are huge and high, for them. If he was running a sealed, I'd agree it could be clipping the signal at the input, but it's only certain frequencies, so that should rule out a gain clipping issue. Of course, he didn't say he tested it with a multi, so you could be right.

 
you do not need to tune any lower than 30hz, it would be pointless and ported boxes are great for low notes if there bult properly. My guess is somewhere in the design, or building of the box something got screwed up or your lpf is set way to high. Should be around 20-25hz. Another thing to think about, is that 3.5^3ft before or after displacement? That might be a little to small for that sub especially if thats before displacement. Try a new box, bigger and around the same tuning. When i had my box at 35hz i couldn't find a low note it wouldn't hit and perform amazing on.

 
you do not need to tune any lower than 30hz, it would be pointless and ported boxes are great for low notes if there bult properly. My guess is somewhere in the design, or building of the box something got screwed up or your lpf is set way to high. Should be around 20-25hz. Another thing to think about, is that 3.5^3ft before or after displacement? That might be a little to small for that sub especially if thats before displacement. Try a new box, bigger and around the same tuning. When i had my box at 35hz i couldn't find a low note it wouldn't hit and perform amazing on.
Sorry, did you suggest he should set his low pass at 20-25, on a ported box tuned to 32?

If so, is the first pill free?

Or did you mean his subsonic-high-pass filter?

 
Do not forget, just because the material dips below the tuning point of your sub system and the sub starts to 'unload' does not make the sound harder to hear. The sub can be playing well below tuning, unloading like a mother****er, but its still moving air and creating sound waves. What I think has been lost in this discussion by getting too techincal is the fact that at some point, subbass DOES become inaudible to the human ear. Where exactly, and to what extent, is different for every person. This may simply be what is occurring, and I suspect as much, because a system tuned to 32hz should be capable of extending down to 20hz without much problem. The general rule of thumb for setting a SSF is half an octave below enclosure tuning.

 
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