low (22Hz) port tuning in real world trunk applications

Back when i had stock speakers in my door i LP'ed my subs at 35 Hz and it sounded great even though it was in a prefab, unfortunately i was missing a huge range of frequencies... so my goal will be eventuall to have mids in my door (8's haha) that can get down to 45Hz or so without problems so my subs can handle the lower end... i need 18's tho... cuz thats what all the cool kids seem to be getting

 
Back when i had stock speakers in my door i LP'ed my subs at 35 Hz and it sounded great even though it was in a prefab, unfortunately i was missing a huge range of frequencies... so my goal will be eventuall to have mids in my door (8's haha) that can get down to 45Hz or so without problems so my subs can handle the lower end... i need 18's tho... cuz thats what all the cool kids seem to be getting
55-60hz is about as low as you should ever realistically need to LP your subs. 35hz is way too low. Dont go from expecting your subs to play midbass, to expecting your midbass drivers to play sub freqs.
Trying to get a front stage to play down to 35hz (not including subwoofer) would include massive midbass drivers in your doors (pita), a large array of smaller midbass in your doors (still a pita), or a front stage that wont play very loud before the midbass starts to fatigue. Just stick to LP'ing around 60hz and you'll already be a leg up on 99% of the other car audio systems in the world.

 
The cabin gain of the car is going to generate a response peak. Nothing you can do about that other than go with a low Q sealed enclosure that fully relies on the cabin gain to bring the low freq response back up to reference level. Tuning a ported sub for a flat free-air response though doesn't exacerbate that peak. Mistuning the enclosure resulting in a response peak free air and then adding in the cabin gain over accentuates the frequencies right around the peak. IMO the overall sound that you're left with is annoying. The subs only really play a very small range of freqs and those are overrepresented.
But cabin gain in a vehicle is rarely a smooth rolling increase of 12dB/oct like we would like to think it is. So sometimes low Q alignments or even .707 alignments get peaks and valleys themselves. I know that the three transfer functions I have measured (99 Acura Integra hatch, 93 Nissan 240sx hatch, 93 Mitsu Mirage 4 door) have given very non linear curves. The hatchbacks had three distinct peaks starting in the low 20s then in the low 40s and then in the mid 60s. The max flat sealed alignment would then usually give me peaks in the 40hz range because the gain was about the same there as it was in the 20s but the sub had already rolled off ~10dB at that frequency when measured anechoically. The 40hz range was almost at reference when measured anechoically (I don't think it's a word but I've used it twice so **** it haha) so it left a high gain there and a shallow roll off below it. It was like that in both the 240 and the Integra. The Mirage was weird and I don't remember it very much anymore besides real high gain at 45hz.

55-60hz is about as low as you should ever realistically need to LP your subs. 35hz is way too low. Dont go from expecting your subs to play midbass, to expecting your midbass drivers to play sub freqs.
I disagree for some cases but for the most part I agree. I am with you on not having the mids play sub frequencies but sometimes a low LP filter can be very useful in a vehicle. It can work as a pseudo-Linkwitz Transform by bringing down the levels of the upper bass that a smaller sealed box will perform very well at and with extra power (if you have the headroom on tap and mechanical limits down low), you can reinforce the bottom octaves and flatten the response.

Take this response curve for instance:

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If you apply a 35hz LPF with a 6dB/octave slope, you will have a response that will drop 35hz closer to 20hz and 25hz and the region from 35-60 (which is slightly decaying on their measured response) would then have that decay removed and 60hz will be closer to the 20hz-35hz region. As you can also see, above 60hz, the cabin gain stops boosting and you get an even steeper roll off above 60hz than you would have had crossing them over at 60hz. This can lead to an effortless blending with the front stage, especially if it can dig down to 60hz with ease. I've played around with this and it can sound very impressive but the output is limited by your low frequency excursion or power and you actually loose output in an already low output system. For some people though, it would be a very easy and clean way to get a flat response down to 20hz with a sealed system.

 
Okay, yes in some situations, given your exact alignment/Q, and exact in car frequency response alterations, it may be best for a flat response to actually apply a very low LP with a very shallow slope. I will concede this point to you readily, on the grounds that you spent so much effort in making it. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/tongue.gif.6130eb82179565f6db8d26d6001dcd24.gif//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif

 
Back when i had stock speakers in my door i LP'ed my subs at 35 Hz and it sounded great even though it was in a prefab, unfortunately i was missing a huge range of frequencies... so my goal will be eventuall to have mids in my door (8's haha) that can get down to 45Hz or so without problems so my subs can handle the lower end... i need 18's tho... cuz thats what all the cool kids seem to be getting
why have mids playing sub freqs?

 
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