looking for what you guys are running for sub amps?


jt4x4

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I sold my XTR2500 before I installed it. What are you running off of it. I have an AB HD15 that I was going to run off of it. Is it the beast that I thought it was? My electrical is limited on my 55 year old car. So, I sold it to het an MD3K.
I have it on two Deaf Bonce 15's rated at 1500wrms, and I'm pretty happy with it. I bought a two-year warranty for it through squaretrade, but no problems yet. I did have to add a fan under the seat to keep it out of thermal shutdown when i run it hard for a while. I think it would prefer another run of 1/0.
 

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take JL out of the equation, throw morel, gladden, hybrid audio technologies, audiofrog and german maestro and scanspeak in the mix. JL speakers are low tier performance in general until you get to the C7s which are just okay, still loses out on every other brand's flagships that cost the same or cheaper.
Ah yeah Morel was the one I was thinking of while writing that but I didn't take the time to look up the name. I may go that route, depending on the prices. I'll have to look up Gladden and Hybrid Audio technologies. I always kinda figured audiofrog was on the same tier as JL, are all tiers of the company's lineup better for the price than JL? The ones I've been looking at for a while are these https://www.hertzaudiovideo.com/car-audio-woofers-mille-pro-mp165-3/ People seem to really like the Milles, so whatever I get will be in a similar price range.
 
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I run korean fsd monoblocks (now audiolegion), a 2600 for my suv and a 1600 for my beater car. Would definitely like to transition to full bridge amps sooner than later to maximize my the extent of my limited electrical upgrade (slightly bigger alts, big 3, rear agm for both builds)

full bridge ftw!
 
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Jeffdachef

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Ah yeah Morel was the one I was thinking of while writing that but I didn't take the time to look up the name. I may go that route, depending on the prices. I'll have to look up Gladden and Hybrid Audio technologies. I always kinda figured audiofrog was on the same tier as JL, are all tiers of the company's lineup better for the price than JL? The ones I've been looking at for a while are these https://www.hertzaudiovideo.com/car-audio-woofers-mille-pro-mp165-3/ People seem to really like the Milles, so whatever I get will be in a similar price range.
millies are good I've heard a set from a guy that has no clue how to tune and it sound decent from the start so it has good potential, hertz, focal and stuff stay on the list. Audiofrog is a step up from JL at slightly less cost. For total sound quality though, i'd still have to rate scanspeak as top of the line performance wise mainly because of of the world MECA finalist love running the relevators in their ride and i havent heard anything top them yet or come close to. Focals require some work but I like the airiness and extension of their tweeters, lots of detail but can overwhelm if not tuned properly.
 
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millies are good I've heard a set from a guy that has no clue how to tune and it sound decent from the start so it has good potential, hertz, focal and stuff stay on the list. Audiofrog is a step up from JL at slightly less cost. For total sound quality though, i'd still have to rate scanspeak as top of the line performance wise mainly because of of the world MECA finalist love running the relevators in their ride and i havent heard anything top them yet or come close to. Focals require some work but I like the airiness and extension of their tweeters, lots of detail but can overwhelm if not tuned properly.
Great info, I appreciate it and I'll add that response to my project file for next year. Since you're letting me pick you brain would you suggest different speakers for the rear than the front? I was thinking of maybe getting some small woofers in the back and full ranges in the doors. My doors are 90% of the sound, you hardly notice the back ones missing on fader yet they're the same exact speaker model. The rear baffle thing doesn't seem to be ideal at all for their performance. Would you say in order to get the most from them to get speakers that handle infinite baffle well or should I go as far as building them surrounds underneath? I've seen people do that to good effect, although never tried it myself.
 

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Great info, I appreciate it and I'll add that response to my project file for next year. Since you're letting me pick you brain would you suggest different speakers for the rear than the front? I was thinking of maybe getting some small woofers in the back and full ranges in the doors. My doors are 90% of the sound, you hardly notice the back ones missing on fader yet they're the same exact speaker model. The rear baffle thing doesn't seem to be ideal at all for their performance. Would you say in order to get the most from them to get speakers that handle infinite baffle well or should I go as far as building them surrounds underneath? I've seen people do that to good effect, although never tried it myself.
i would not do anything to the rear at all if you want any kind of decent soundstage. Complete waste of time, money, and amplifier power.
 
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My current amp is an Orion XTR2500.1dz. I've only been running it for four months, but so far so good. Williston Audio Labs' dyno video sold me on it. My last amp was a Kicker ZX1500.1, and I never thought I'd go bigger than that, so wise choice giving yourself the wiggle room.
i also watched that dyno and the reason i am considering them myself
 
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Ah yeah Morel was the one I was thinking of while writing that but I didn't take the time to look up the name. I may go that route, depending on the prices. I'll have to look up Gladden and Hybrid Audio technologies. I always kinda figured audiofrog was on the same tier as JL, are all tiers of the company's lineup better for the price than JL? The ones I've been looking at for a while are these https://www.hertzaudiovideo.com/car-audio-woofers-mille-pro-mp165-3/ People seem to really like the Milles, so whatever I get will be in a similar price range.
i have been also researching the same and getting pretty much same results you are havent jumped yet on any of them but been researching what each are made with for the price seems like titaniim tweeters neo magnets etc etc so if you can find ones built with same materials for cheapest price should be about same sound i would think i looked into ct sounds for just that reason seems to be made with all the same as the heavy hitters but half the price but they dont actually make anything themselves so im torn on what to do but might be worth a shot for the money anyhow. for now i have some mb quart q series old school with an ads amp on its way to get me started anyhow
 

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You've had yours for a few days and they haven't self destructed doesn't = they're reliable. Yes many failures are due to misuse or abuse but plenty are due to design shortcomings and poor quality control. They've come a long way but I would not consider them as reliable as the Korean half bridge stuff on the market. The fact that a lot of amp repair shops refuse to even work on them is telling.
I've had three Taramps installed since last November. I haven't had any problems and I only have a 95 amp alternator. So, 4,050 watts with a 95 amp alternator and two AGM's without a problem. I consider that pretty reliable.
 

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i have been also researching the same and getting pretty much same results you are havent jumped yet on any of them but been researching what each are made with for the price seems like titaniim tweeters neo magnets etc etc so if you can find ones built with same materials for cheapest price should be about same sound i would think i looked into ct sounds for just that reason seems to be made with all the same as the heavy hitters but half the price but they dont actually make anything themselves so im torn on what to do but might be worth a shot for the money anyhow. for now i have some mb quart q series old school with an ads amp on its way to get me started anyhow
That is the case with a lot of things but I haven't yet explored that with speakers. From what I've noticed the materials are different enough that the specifications of the speakers are off. It seems like the most common thing that companies slack on is the voice coil, cooling, and the design testing. Two things that you can't really tell looking at it in a photo or the specs unless they share that sort of information. That's partially why I enjoy Hertz and Focal products, because they give more information about the characteristics of the speakers. The cheaper ones like Kicker never do that, even on their QS line which is in the same price range as many of hertz/focal gear.
 
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I run the meanest sub amp on this here forum... The Rockford Fosgate Prime R1200-1D. It's so mean I don't even run it at 1ohm. I run 2ohm like a boss!!
Shooooot broseph, you gotta check out dat 1 ohm performance, it's got my 15" sub mad bumpin like my car be rattling down the drive-way like the screws gon pop out ya dig?

It's alright, but I would sincerely recommend the punch series over the prime. I forgot we had the same amp lol...
 
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Shooooot broseph, you gotta check out dat 1 ohm performance, it's got my 15" sub mad bumpin like my car be rattling down the drive-way like the screws gon pop out ya dig?

It's alright, but I would sincerely recommend the punch series over the prime. I forgot we had the same amp lol...
I will have the second Punch P3D4 sometime here soon. Then it's 1ohm. Should hit hard enough to remove the lug nutz!
 

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I've had three Taramps installed since last November. I haven't had any problems and I only have a 95 amp alternator. So, 4,050 watts with a 95 amp alternator and two AGM's without a problem. I consider that pretty reliable.
Well that completely disproves every single claim of any of them breaking and also debunks the guys who repair and design amps saying they're unreliable.
 

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Well that completely disproves every single claim of any of them breaking and also debunks the guys who repair and design amps saying they're unreliable.
I think they probably are unreliable when people stray from the recommendations of the amp. When they start running one ohm amps at .66 and .5 for an extended period of time. Also, when people are feeding it under 11 volts or over 16 volts, then, they are just asking for trouble. Many of the veterans on here, like @Popwarhomie have used them reliably for years. I'm sure the quality control could be better with Taramps. And, I know for a fact that there shipping could be 100% better (amp in box without any padding). I think people just need to follow the recipe the amp provides.
 

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I think they probably are unreliable when people stray from the recommendations of the amp.
They're unreliable period. You and a few other guys owning these amps and them not blowing up doesn't make them reliable and there's plenty of these things going into self destruct mode without misuse. Talk to some repair shops or someone who designs amplifiers and ask them.
 

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They're unreliable period. You and a few other guys owning these amps and them not blowing up doesn't make them reliable and there's plenty of these things going into self destruct mode without misuse. Talk to some repair shops or someone who designs amplifiers and ask them.
You're right. Taramps are garbage and they should be discontinued. I'm surprised that there isn't a class action lawsuit yet to get this company closed down and pay restitution to everyone. They shouldn't even be on the market. Everybody should stick to Skar and Boss. Way more powerful and reliable than Taramps. Thanks for the knowledge man!
 
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You're right. Taramps are garbage and they should be discontinued. I'm surprised that there isn't a class action lawsuit yet to get this company closed down and pay restitution to everyone. They shouldn't even be on the market. Everybody should stick to Skar and Boss. Way more powerful and reliable than Taramps. Thanks for the knowledge man!
Hyperbole much?
 

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I got my MD 1200.1 2 ohm amp today. Damn its small. They threw in a red face mask with their logo on it too lol.
 

Bobbytwonames

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They're unreliable period. You and a few other guys owning these amps and them not blowing up doesn't make them reliable and there's plenty of these things going into self destruct mode without misuse. Talk to some repair shops or someone who designs amplifiers and ask them.
Like I said, thanks for the knowledge. I'm sure them being unreliable has nothing to do with user error, too little voltage, too much voltage, and running them at the wrong load. So, it sounds like a lot of people will be dumping their Taramps after reading your expert advice. Once again, thanks for educating us Taramps owners, much appreciated.
 

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