Lcd vs plasma.. What one to buy and why??

[bsean63 10+ year member]

pure genius

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[rc10mike 10+ year member]

After owning my LN-T4671F Samsung 46" LCD for 2 years I honestly thought I would never want anything but LCD. So last month I bought Samsungs 2nd to the top 55" 8000 series. Instantly I noticed issues, clouding, uneven blacks, flickering backlight. I took it back for exchange same issues.

I play video games and watch HD cable, once in a while BluRay.

You know all those features you pay extra for LCD? Like De Judder and Smoothing? 120-240hz. Well they cause huge input lag with LCD's when playing games. You are forced to use "Game Mode" which bypasses all the extra processing you paid for.

So after returning my 2nd Samsung 55 8000, I decided to take a stab at plasma. I got a Panasonic 58V10 and couldnt be happier. Deep uniform blacks, no burn in, no IR, and no noticeable input lag.

IMO, plasma is more refined while LCD is still trying to add this that and the other thing just to compete.

 

[cotjones 10+ year member]

duh.. I think this is like the 3rd thread this week hes tried to be a master of something but really knws nothing.. the fact he thought a 3:2 pulldown test has nothing to do with the way an image looks is enough alone..

HAHA yea your right because at 120hz+ you use a 3:2 pulldown. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif:laugh:

 

[hzsogood 5,000+ posts]

2 words: (60... Hz) //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif:laugh://content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

I guess morons will be morons.

your a fawking idiot.. plasma are 600hz ( technically ) dumb shit

 

[hzsogood 5,000+ posts]

HAHA yea your right because at 120hz+ you use a 3:2 pulldown. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif:laugh:

wow...

 

[rc10mike 10+ year member]

your a fawking idiot.. plasma are 600hz ( technically ) dumb shit

Plasmas 600hz has nothing to do with screen refresh rate.

 

[tRidiot 10+ year member]

Plasmas 600hz has nothing to do with screen refresh rate.

And LCD's screen refresh rate has nothing to do with motion blur... that is caused by slow pixel response time when swapping RGB colors. Plasma phosphors do not have that problem, which is why there is no motion blur, and no need to interpolate extra frames which are not part of the original material (whether duplicate or black frames) to try to hide it.

Bottom line... LCDs/LED-backlit LCDs have motion blur, plasmas don't.

 

[rc10mike 10+ year member]

And LCD's screen refresh rate has nothing to do with motion blur... that is caused by slow pixel response time when swapping RGB colors. Plasma phosphors do not have that problem, which is why there is no motion blur, and no need to interpolate extra frames which are not part of the original material (whether duplicate or black frames) to try to hide it.
Bottom line... LCDs/LED-backlit LCDs have motion blur, plasmas don't.

Which is exactly why I no longer support LCD, they are trying hard every year to improve, but they have yet to catch plasma in overall performance. Sad actually, because LCD's still sell more..

 

[tRidiot 10+ year member]

The only claims they can make are that they are approaching plasma's performance level... all the while plasma is also continuing to improve. lol

 

[cotjones 10+ year member]

your a fawking idiot.. plasma are 600hz ( technically ) dumb shit

AHHHH you FINALLY said it! thank you.

A plamsa uses Sub-Field Motion, A 60 hz signal flashed in 10 subfields to take advantage of that quick pixel time.

However, Try hooking up your 3D source to that "600hz" TV and see what you get.

With upcoming technology if you by less than a true 120hz TV you will be missing out.

And the only differences with the current 120~240hz model LCD's and >2ms pixel response and plasmas are indiscernible by the human eye.

Bassically plasma uses a neat science trick to fool you into thinking its fast when its at it's limits, while LCD's speed capability is indefinite.

And no, 3:2 pulldown is not necessary/used on 120/240 hz TV's

 

[tRidiot 10+ year member]

AHHHH you FINALLY said it! thank you.
A plamsa uses Sub-Field Motion, A 60 hz signal flashed in 10 subfields to take advantage of that quick pixel time.

However, Try hooking up your 3D source to that "600hz" TV and see what you get.

With upcoming technology if you by less than a true 120hz TV you will be missing out.

And the only differences with the current 120~240hz model LCD's and >2ms pixel response and plasmas are indiscernible by the human eye.

Bassically plasma uses a neat science trick to fool you into thinking its fast when its at it's limits, while LCD's speed capability is indefinite.

And no, 3:2 pulldown is not necessary/used on 120/240 hz TV's

A 60Hz signal flashed in 10 subfields.... sort of like a 60Hz input signal flashed 2-4x on your LCD to come up with 120Hz or 240Hz respectively????

I guess you can explain, then, why a 3D plasma television took top honors at last week's CES? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif Why not try hooking up that 3D source to your current 240Hz LCD? Think it's going to work properly? NO! Because they're not designed for 3D, moron.

And yes, a 2ms delay in pixel change can most certainly be noticed by the human eye when it is spread across hundreds to thousands of pixels as an object moves across a screen and each pixel lags behind its neighbors.

You are honestly going to sit here and tell me that there is no motion blur with LCDs???? Not noticeable at all? Go ahead... say it.

 

[cotjones 10+ year member]

But I don't have time to dick around about this. Plasma are great, no doubt but we are at the point where the top-of-the line LCD's have surpassed the plasmas, and will continue to.

As was said, refresh rate isn't the cause of motion blur, pixel response time is, and that improves on LCD's ever day. However, A 3D-Source REQUIRES a minimum 120hz. And the plasma can't deliver it. However, get a 240hz LCD and it's **** close to watching a HD source in normal 2D quality, flicker almost disappears.

lets not forget some games that can reach very high refresh rates.

 

[hzsogood 5,000+ posts]

Plasmas 600hz has nothing to do with screen refresh rate.

which is why i said ( technically ) .. To me its a # as worthless as "dynamic" contrast

 

[hzsogood 5,000+ posts]

AHHHH you FINALLY said it! thank you.
A plamsa uses Sub-Field Motion, A 60 hz signal flashed in 10 subfields to take advantage of that quick pixel time.

However, Try hooking up your 3D source to that "600hz" TV and see what you get.

With upcoming technology if you by less than a true 120hz TV you will be missing out.

And the only differences with the current 120~240hz model LCD's and >2ms pixel response and plasmas are indiscernible by the human eye.

Bassically plasma uses a neat science trick to fool you into thinking its fast when its at it's limits, while LCD's speed capability is indefinite.

And no, 3:2 pulldown is not necessary/used on 120/240 hz TV's

yea.. already cleared that up with ( technically ) and wow, you can copy and paste shit you found on the net //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/clap.gif.178cba2c538c68e720c727fcb024b19c.gif:clap:

 

[hzsogood 5,000+ posts]

A 60Hz signal flashed in 10 subfields.... sort of like a 60Hz input signal flashed 2-4x on your LCD to come up with 120Hz or 240Hz respectively????
I guess you can explain, then, why a 3D plasma television took top honors at last week's CES? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif Why not try hooking up that 3D source to your current 240Hz LCD? Think it's going to work properly? NO! Because they're not designed for 3D, moron.

And yes, a 2ms delay in pixel change can most certainly be noticed by the human eye when it is spread across hundreds to thousands of pixels as an object moves across a screen and each pixel lags behind its neighbors.

You are honestly going to sit here and tell me that there is no motion blur with LCDs???? Not noticeable at all? Go ahead... say it.

not to mention your gonna have one hell of a headache after trying to view a movie with HDMI 1.3s

Everything in your entire setup is going to have to be HDMI 1.4 or 1.4 compatible before yoyu view anything in 3d