Is this really the PERFECT SUBWOOFER

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

Why are all of you so hung up on the price. When talking about "perfect" or more reasonably the "best" than money shouldn't have any influence on that. Who cares if a speaker costs $500,000, if it sounds better and gets louder than all of the other speakers on the face of the planet than it deserves the title "best" or "perfect" although I wouldn't necessarily use that word.

Because "perfect" would also include price. The perfect sub is one that plays flat in the bandwidth you need, with the output/authority you need, requires 1 watt input (or less), and costs $1 (or less). There's your perfect sub. But even then, the Parthenon would still be cooler.

 

[supa_c 5,000+ posts]

x2 on the parthenon

Technically not a subwoofer but 1/2 the people on here dont know what a dipole driver is.

 

[dtavano 10+ year member]

Because "perfect" would also include price. The perfect sub is one that plays flat in the bandwidth you need, with the output/authority you need, requires 1 watt input (or less), and costs $1 (or less). There's your perfect sub. But even then, the Parthenon would still be cooler.

Nothing is ever perfect, that's why I kept mentioning the best. That is a more reasonable substitute for perfect. I'm still not understanding where money comes into play. The amount of money paid for a sub doesn't effect its sonic qualities. You can get a RandomSubA and pay $10k for it and someone else may be able to get it for $8k but they both are going to sound the same. When looking for perfection(in this thread that means the best) in something you look at the thing itself, money is just a means of getting it.

Again I'm going back to the violin, if you ask any violinist what is the "perfect" or best violin almost all will answer "a stradivarius" which costs several million dollars.

Ask someone what is the perfect, or best, computer and they will start going on and on: 5 thousand million gigabytes of ram, 5 thousand million gigahertz quadrouple processors, 5 thousand million inch monitor with a resolution of 5 thousand million x 5 thousand million, Three video cards with 5 thousand million gigabytes of video ram and core clocks at 5 thousand million gigahertz and so on and so forth. In the end the price will be ridiculously high(perhaps 5 thousand million dollars? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/cool.gif.3bcaf8f141236c00f8044d07150e34f7.gif ) and way out of their price range and yet it is considered the perfect, or best, computer.

So why wouldn't the ideology of those examples apply to subwoofers? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wow.gif.23d729408e9177caa2a0ed6a2ba6588e.gif

 

[Volenti 10+ year member]

With a QTS of 0.8 it's barely useable, let alone perfect:laugh:

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

I'm still not understanding where money comes into play.

Its very simple.
Someone makes subwoofer X, everyone agrees its the best performing driver possible. Someone comes out with subwoofer B that performs exactly as well, but costs less.

Which one is 'better'? By your criteria, subwoofer A was already perfect, but something 'better' come along. How is this possible? Because you are ignoring a factor, or you are using the work perfect incorrectly. Its an over used term, it happens alot.

Now if the discussion would become more realistic, defining the criteria for 'perfection' and giving a specific stated function for this driver, things could become a bit more serious. As it stands, the question on the table is about perfection. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crap.gif.7f4dd41e3e9b23fbd170a1ee6f65cecc.gif

There is no stradivarius in car (or home) audio. There is a wide range of drivers from the economical to the omg my wife is signing the divorce papers as we speak ridiculously expensive, but as is usually the case, install makes or breaks the system.

Now there might be a stradivarius of installs, like Nate Munsun's 169.7 with a single ten, or the guy who won a national SQ event with stock speakers (forget name), but arguing 'perfection' in raw mechanical speakers is pretty darn silly. Whats the perfect car?

 

[Ignatowski 5,000+ posts]

I actually heard a pair of those,they sound nice0 but way way far from the asking price they want..in comparison my ebay bought TDX I paid 250. bucks for

will hang with that 2000.00 gadget all day long

 

[audiobahnuser18 5,000+ posts]

In my opinion no such thing as a perfect subwoofer because everyone has diffrent taste's on how there bass should sound and just how loud they want to get amazingly wouldn't you believe some people actually want a limit to there bass:uhoh: hahaha.

 

[AudioXtremes 10+ year member]

I agree on the consensus that there is no perfect subwoofer.

Judging from the CS specs its about 1200-1500 bucks over priced.

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

How many pages are you guys gonna take to argue about whether or not there truely is a perfect subwoofer in this world?

Guess what, human's aren't capable of making the perfect anything. Quit trying to school us that there is no one perefect speaker that is absolutely best at everything, we already know. I think the OP just wanted opinions on what we perceive as the best. You know, like the question 'describe your perfect woman'. Some of you are getting hung up on arguing the obvious, lets move on.

 

[LoudCrownVic 5,000+ posts]

The perfect sub IMO is going to be

A. Compact,and requires minimal enclosure space to perform

B. Dominates low frequencies like 20-30htz

C. Musical at all volumes

D. Needs little power to perform but can handle burps and peaks for SPL purposes.

My W6v1's are quite near to perfect for my needs, although they don't play as low as I'd like, so i will likely switch to 1 ported 13w6v2 or a similar sub in the future.

 

[bk12321 10+ year member]

 

[stayTUNED 10+ year member]

critical mass UL12 in action

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

PLexiglass for a speaker baffle... I hope its like 1.5" thick.

 

[SQBubble 10+ year member]

wtf?

2000$ for a sub....

AT LEAST make it LOOK GOOD

looks uber ugly

 

[newusername 10+ year member]

I agree on the consensus that there is no perfect subwoofer.
Judging from the CS specs its about 1200-1500 bucks over priced.

Sorry, I guess I am missing where they have the BL, Cms, and Inductance curves that would even give us a clue about that.

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The perfect sub IMO is going to be
A. Compact,and requires minimal enclosure space to perform

B. Dominates low frequencies like 20-30htz

C. Musical at all volumes

D. Needs little power to perform but can handle burps and peaks for SPL purposes.

My W6v1's are quite near to perfect for my needs, although they don't play as low as I'd like, so i will likely switch to 1 ported 13w6v2 or a similar sub in the future.

Yes, it would be nice to break Hoffman's Iron Law.

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