Im gonna buck the mainstream idea about caps...

[squeak9798 5,000+ posts]

DA to analog converters

Can't imagine listening to CD's or MP3's is much fun without utilizing a DAC.....

But if you ask someone like JimJ or other turntable fanatic.....DAC's aren't necessary in a real stereo.

 

[squeak9798 5,000+ posts]

I read the thread title and though Audioholic was actually going to incorporate caps into his install.

But I guess that would be like Richard Dawkins finding god //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

 

[22mountaineer 10+ year member]

I read the thread title and though Audioholic was actually going to incorporate caps into his install.
But I guess that would be like Richard Dawkins finding god //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif After I seen his comment last night to a guy, I knew what I was clicking on.

 

[IamDeMan 5,000+ posts]

Do you know the purpose of the first outboard caps installed in cars? Hint: current delivery had nothing to do with its purpose.

Perhaps noise?

 

[helotaxi 5,000+ posts]

Perhaps noise?

Right track but how so?

 

[IamDeMan 5,000+ posts]

Right track but how so?

By reducing noise tranferred by the regulator?

 

[Megalomaniac 5,000+ posts]

Do you know the purpose of the first outboard caps installed in cars? Hint: current delivery had nothing to do with its purpose.

AC Filter

 

[helotaxi 5,000+ posts]

Yep. Basically they served as power conditioners for the amps. That was the intended purpose of the original Autosound 2000 caps. Then Monster Cable got into the act and you know how their marketing department is...

 

[mrogowski 5,000+ posts]

Yep. Basically they served as power conditioners for the amps. That was the intended purpose of the original Autosound 2000 caps. Then Monster Cable got into the act and you know how their marketing department is...

I believe their marketing department consists of lawyers.

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

I read the thread title and though Audioholic was actually going to incorporate caps into his install.
But I guess that would be like Richard Dawkins finding god //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

LOL nice.

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

You already have a battery under the hood so wouldn't that serve as your tank in your analogy?

Because in some situations, such as massive spl rigs, its more feasable to have a bank of storage devices (batts) that will ... absorb ... the temporary current draw spike then it is to try and acheive a power source 9alternators) that will handle every possible situation. Same with the air tank analogy on the air compressor... if it was merely about having a tank, any tank (like a batt under your hood), then everyone would run a tiny little tank. You have a source unit that can handle the current damands most of the time, and you have a storage capacity to take up the slack when that threshold is breached. The larger the capacity, the larger the spike in demand it can account for.
Also to note, where the battery and air tank analogy fail... voltage loss. If you could mount them anywhere, would you rather have your storage (batts) up front under the hood, or back near the amplifiers? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif Again, for those peak demands in current, voltage drop becomes more and more of an issue. The less wire you have between your storage bank and your current demand (the amps), the better off you are.

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

I only read parts of your post, frankly because I have dying interest in the topic and I'm just like that, but my point is, if you have a weak electrical system, how is adding another battery to charge, going to help it?

You expect me to explain it to you, again? Frankly, I have dying interest in educating you on the subject. I'll be surprised if you even read this last sentence.
//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif lawl

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

I wasn't talking about "spl rigs" You never made mention of how the other batteries would remain charged on a weak electrical system.

Nor did I mention how they would charge on a rig with piss poor grounds, or undersized wire, etc. That's why I said "in some situations" rather than in all situations.
Yes, adding batteries to a daily driver to try and overcome a grossly undersized alternator is a bad idea. Unfortunately, that was not mine or helo's point.

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

But it was my point so why did you guys respond to my point with different points?

Look dude, here's what you originally said:

"I still don't understand why people want to add more batteries instead of just improving the source."

No where in there did you say 'in a system with an obviously too small alternator/source'. Its implied, but we are making the point that improving the source isnt always cost effective, feaseable, or even necessary.

I replied that sometimes its more feasible to improve the storage capacity rather than try to build a source that can handle 100% of the load 100% of the time. Would you, for example, run multiple 300 amp alts to your 40,000 watt SPL truck, while still using just the one stock battery? A bank of batteries can absorb a charge from a smaller source, over time, to output a large burst relatively rapidly. This is how it helps SPL rigs.

How added storage can help a daily driver is similar, but more in terms of cost. Drain on your charging system is not immediate, its an over time sort of thing. Someone with a grossly too large stereo and grossly too small alternator/chargingsystem can either 1) listen to their system really loud, for a brief period of time, or 2) listen to it at more moderate levels for longer periods of time, before the stereo would need to be turned off/down to allow the alt to catch up. The more storage you havem the longer the time window allows for. now add to that a person who is riding the fine line of almost having a large enough alternator, considering his stereo size, AND his listening habits... say his car wont start every so often or whatever... adding storage MAY be enough to overcome this problem.

Oops, Ive past 3 sentences, guess I better end my explanation. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/tongue.gif.6130eb82179565f6db8d26d6001dcd24.gif

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

Jesus Christ I wasn't talking about 40k watts. You caught me on a technicality. You win. Shit. Plus I quit reading after 40k watts.

Jesus Christ would tell you the same thing Im about to... you are an idiot. I explained a 'daily driver' situation below the SPL rig example. Some people are just too **** lazy to educate themselves.