If Christ is the answer, what was the question?

[shaneb 10+ year member]

That's a flawed analogy on a fundamental level.


Macroevolution isn't limited to compounding microevolution. But it is one "part" of the macroevolutionary tale.

While Wikipedia is not a definitive source, it's late & I really should be in bed right now...so;

"Within the Modern Synthesis school of thought, macroevolution is thought of as the compounded effects of microevolution. Thus, the distinction between micro- and macroevolution is not a fundamental one - the only difference between them is of time and scale."

"The term "macroevolution" frequently arises within the context of the evolution/creation debate, usually brandished by creationists alleging a significant difference between the evolutionary changes observed in field and laboratory studies and the larger scale macroevolutionary changes that scientists believe to have taken thousands or millions of years to occur............These arguments are rejected by mainstream science, which holds that there is ample evidence that macroevolution has occurred in the past.[6][7] The consensus of the scientific community is that the alleged micro-macro division is an artificial construct made by creationists and does not accurately reflect the actual processes of evolution.............While details of macroevolution are continuously studied by the scientific community, the overall theory behind macroevolution (i.e. common descent) has been overwhelmingly consistent with empirical data. Predictions of empirical data from the theory of common descent have been so consistent that biologists often refer to it as the "fact of evolution".[8][9]

Analogies are not meant to be incapable of breaking down, it's a analogy.

I didn't read that second paragraph, talk to you manana.

 

[shaneb 10+ year member]

You ever think that maybe because our american culture is so full of temptation and moral corruption that it is really hard sometimes to stay focused on what is right?
Those people in the middle east have far less distractions. Alot of them are scared to fart

lol this is going to be interesting....lol.

 

[Rashaddd 5,000+ posts]

And you don't think mayme Muhammed forgot ome of that stuff Gabriel told him and made a mistake?

Look up the 'miracles of the quran'. It is pure poetry, and the most incredibly perfect and beautiful poetry you could imagine. It only really has this full effect in Arabic, because Arabic is a much more fluent, poetic and intricate language than the majority of languages it gets watered down into (ie english), which are the version you would read...which would have much less effect on you. I don't know if you have an appreciation for poetry, but the Quran is pure beauty in that respect. It's incredible. It's perfect. There are countless things that line up and create intricacies and other things within the writing itself, Idk how to explain this really, but you can go look itup and you might get a better grasp, just search about the miracles of the quran.

btw mohammad was illiterate and not even a poet in the first place, and this all happened in a time when poetry and beautiful use of the rich arabic language was the most impressive and respected thing in that area of the world. This is one of the reasons people believed in the Quran, because they were amazed by its poetic and literary perfection and beauty.

 

[Rashaddd 5,000+ posts]

Okay, I have known them, I do not remember enough of it at the moment to creat a plausible argument, that is what I meant, I did not mean I am wakling blindly into this thing, Like I said, tomorrow is another day, ill get back to you, i have some brushing up to do on biblical origins, it's okay that I dont know it off the top of my head.

Wasn't trying to insult you just so you know, sorry if it came off that way, just trying to make a point.

 

[shaneb 10+ year member]

Look up the 'miracles of the quran'. It is pure poetry, and the most incredibly perfect and beautiful poetry you could imagine. It only really has this full effect in Arabic, because Arabic is a much more fluent, poetic and intricate language than the majority of languages it gets watered down into (ie english), which are the version you would read...which would have much less effect on you. I don't know if you have an appreciation for poetry, but the Quran is pure beauty in that respect. It's incredible. It's perfect. There are countless things that line up and create intricacies and other things within the writing itself, Idk how to explain this really, but you can go look itup and you might get a better grasp, just search about the miracles of the quran.
btw mohammad was illiterate and not even a poet in the first place, and this all happened in a time when poetry and beautiful use of the rich arabic language was the most impressive and respected thing in that area of the world. This is one of the reasons people believed in the Quran, because they were amazed by its poetic and literary perfection and beauty.

BTW, I commend you for knowin' what you believe, that is a good thing to have, it's been a pleasure.

Same to you squeaky.

 

[Rashaddd 5,000+ posts]

You ever think that maybe because our american culture is so full of temptation and moral corruption that it is really hard sometimes to stay focused on what is right?
Those people in the middle east have far less distractions. Alot of them are scared to fart

And how did that happen? Its not just America, its all over the world in Christian places. America is very recent...and this evolution of Christianity largely took place before America was around (and still after america came to be). America is in many ways a testament to this...look at slavery...Christians spent hundreds of years enslaving and treating blacks as if they were dirt, more of that ideology that they are somehow better than everyone else

and //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/fyi.gif.9f1f679348da7204ce960cfc74bca8e0.gif those people in the middle east just have been living according to Gods word since they were informed of it...what's your excuse?

granted...these days...several of those countries have become very corrupted and there are many bad people (such as al-queada) using Islam as an excuse and justification for their actions...which is utter bullshit.

The notion that al-queda is a good representation of Islam or that Islam supports the ideas of these terrorist groups, is as off-base as the notion that the KKK is a good representation of Christianity or that Christianity supports the KKK.

 

[Rashaddd 5,000+ posts]

BTW, I commend you for knowin' what you believe, that is a good thing to have, it's been a pleasure.
Same to you squeaky.

Peace

 

[newusername 10+ year member]

If anyone can point out a post made by someone who is not atheist in any way, shape, or form, you have my sincere kudos.

Personally, I'm an agnostic atheist. That is, the question of "Is there a god?" is unanswerable and/or unprovable, but I believe that there are no god(s).

More in the morning....

 

[snoopdan 5,000+ posts]

Im with neil on this one. God is boring.

 

[HeatSeeker 10+ year member]

this is my first and only post in this thread...god is real, heaven is real, hell is real, and jesus is real...i feel sorry for anyone that does not believe in god...have fun in hell

eat shit and die faggot

 

[lincolntc690 10+ year member]

the only god on ca.com it teh dbzzzzzzzzzzzz

 

[david in german 10+ year member]

If Christ is the answer, what was the question?

lol All I could think of was..

"I'll take fictional charaters for $500":laugh:

 

[HeatSeeker 10+ year member]

 

[Rmsanger 10+ year member]

And how did that happen? Its not just America, its all over the world in Christian places. America is very recent...and this evolution of Christianity largely took place before America was around (and still after america came to be). America is in many ways a testament to this...look at slavery...Christians spent hundreds of years enslaving and treating blacks as if they were dirt, more of that ideology that they are somehow better than everyone else
and //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/fyi.gif.9f1f679348da7204ce960cfc74bca8e0.gif those people in the middle east just have been living according to Gods word since they were informed of it...what's your excuse?

That answer is false... The Persians and Egyptians took many more slaves out of Africa over a 1000 years before America was even discovered. When the jews left Egypt the only slave population left was the nubians and other tribes from the sub-sahara.

Muslims used African slaves as well as Christian/Hebrew slaves for centuries to build their cities, rock quaries, and farmng.

During the crusades the Saracens did unspeakable acts to the undefended Jewish/Christian settlers in Jerusalem & Antioch. One of my best friends is Syrian and he tells me alot of the so called 'Strict Muslims' from Saudi will travel to Lebanon to see the women out of their burkas and in the belly dancing bars.

The whole holier than thou Muslim act is just as much a facade as the Christian one.

 

[Rashaddd 5,000+ posts]

That answer is false... The Persians and Egyptians took many more slaves out of Africa over a 1000 years before America was even discovered. When the jews left Egypt the only slave population left was the nubians and other tribes from the sub-sahara.
Muslims used African slaves as well as Christian/Hebrew slaves for centuries to build their cities, rock quaries, and farmng.

During the crusades the Saracens did unspeakable acts to the undefended Jewish/Christian settlers in Jerusalem & Antioch. One of my best friends is Syrian and he tells me alot of the so called 'Strict Muslims' from Saudi will travel to Lebanon to see the women out of their burkas and in the belly dancing bars.

The whole holier than thou Muslim act is just as much a facade as the Christian one.

I think perhaps both you and your friend are confusing Arabs with Muslims...actually persians and egyptians aren't even Arabs...

Hmm...1000 years before America was even discovered...Islam came after that. And within a few years after Islam most slaves owned in the Islamic areas were set free, by will of his owner. Rich Islamic men would go and buy slaves from people, just to set them free. The few that still kept slaves under Islam followed Islams teachings about slavery. It DOES NOT say that its perfectly fine to have slaves, but it says if you have a slave, you must treat him as you treat yourself. He eats what you eat, he sleeps where you sleep, he dresses how you dress, etc. Slaves under Islam (the few that there were) were not slaves in the same sense you envision slavery as it went down in America. When it came to free men becoming slaves, it ALWAYS was a much better situation than they were in before they did. Slaves actually filled more of a consumer role than a means of production role under Islam.

Maybe your friend is exaggerating, maybe your friend did in fact see those things happen, but if that's true then those people obviously weren't living by the Quran, just like 99% of christians don't even live close to by the bible, only there are a LOT more Muslims who do (live by the Quran).

Do you know why we pray five times a day? To keep God on our minds, 24/7. It truly stops you from doing wrong, when you begin to do it whole heartedly (which most Muslims do, but I'm sure muslims who are recently accepting Islam and God don't exactly start out in the full spirit that those who are raised into it do).

Bismillah irahman irahim.

http://wahiduddin.net/words/bismillah.htm

^Maybe an interesting read for some of you, not too long