I want a "Wowing" 18

[Xprime4 10+ year member]

good news for me, I can get 7.15ft/cu out of that hatchback without going over the backseats.

So at least 6ft/cu net after port and subs displacement if i want to go ported

What you think about that //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif

 

[cotjones 10+ year member]

No reason that involves SQ, or the lack there of. Or, do they sell more SPL subs like a Solo X, MT or 9500 in 10", 12" and 15" sizes because of SQ reasons as well? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

turn your SQ subs down so you can listen to what i'm saying, cause i don't wanna have to repeat myself again.

I NEVER SAID SIZE HAS JACK SHIT TO DO WITH SQ.

I did say, however, that an SQ system will normally seek a well balanced system, so a company marketing a pure SQ speaker would have a very difficult time finding people who needed 18's.

It's kinda odd that all those lines you named are available in 18's...

I don't care about what sells more...

that has nothing to do with this, that has to do with how many people have a grand lying around to drop on the 18 solo-x or the 6 cubes for boxes...

This is really not that complicated of concept.

Cone size has nothing to do with SQ.

Cone size has alot to do with SPL.

Therefore:

people who want SPL have no limits on desired volume.

People who want SQ do have limits on desired volume.

ergo:

SQ oriented speakers are for the vast majority, pointless in an 18"

SPL oriented speakers are highly profitable in an 18" model because even though the number of sales might be half of what they are for 15's or 12's, There is still a large market for them and they are priced higher and almost allways have a higher markup.

 

[MikeyB 5,000+ posts]

thank you for once again putting words in my mouth...
EDIT: my definition of SQ is not a system where your substage drastically overpowers your frontstage, and thats fairly easy to do with most 18's

i never said anything about cone size affecting SQ mr. brain surgeon.

whay don't you start paying attension before you open your mouth assuming you know everything...

The reason i think its stupid to do 18"s for sound quality is not because 18's can't sound good, it's cause an 18 will get loud, PERIOD.

so if your goal is SQ, then why would you get somethin that rattles your head so much you can't really tell the difference.

for people seeking an SQ application, an 18 is just usually superfluous. thats all i was saying, I never said nor do i believe SQ has anything (MAJOR) to do with cone area.

Does that mean that no one should buy 18's for SQ? No

there are several options, maybe you have hearing loss and want something that getts loud enough you can hear it and it sound good, maybe you want alot of headroom in your subs...

my point is, for the majority of SQ applications 12's suffice

WTF? So there is no gain adjustment? No way of turning down the volume for your sub-stage?

In your 2,000 posts on here you have already dug yourself a hole so deep that you cant ever get out. Your just fvcked. Period. End of story.

 

[cotjones 10+ year member]

WTF? So there is no gain adjustment? No way of turning down the volume for your sub-stage?
In your 2,000 posts on here you have already dug yourself a hole so deep that you cant ever get out. Your just fvcked. Period. End of story.

Again, yeah you can do that, but why the fvck would you want to? when you can save alot of money and get something smaller?//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/eek.gif.771b7a90cf45cabdc554ff1121c21c4a.gif

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

Again, yeah you can do that, but why the fvck would you want to? when you can save alot of money and get something smaller?//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/eek.gif.771b7a90cf45cabdc554ff1121c21c4a.gif

If you run an 18, that is capable of 145+ db, at normal listening levels (ie: gained down), you have, in effect, lowered the distortion threshold the speaker will produce. Let me put it a more simple way for you. For any given output level, the smaller sub will be required to work harder (closer to xmax, coil further out of the gap, etc) and therefor will display more distortion. So, when someone like you comes along and claims having a SQ 18 is 'stupid', it only shows your ignorance.
You now claim your meaning, when you said "alot of the best SQ Subs are gunna be hard to get in an 18, mainly cause thats stupid", was that having an overpowering sub is stupid. But then later regurgitate the word 'headroom' that you have clearly read somewhere, but not fully comprehended, apparently.

I NEVER SAID SIZE HAS JACK SHIT TO DO WITH SQ.

You're gunna find out that alot of the best SQ Subs are gunna be hard to get in an 18, mainly cause thats stupid

oops?

I wonder, will your ego always get in the way of you digging yourself out of the hole of ignorance you have created for yourself. Instead of listening to me and others here when we correct you, you insist on trying to find ways of making yourself look not-wrong. Do you really care so much what the people here think of you? Because I can tell you right now, your reputation here is already rock bottom. You need to start manning up and admitting you dont know everything about audio, you are in fact quite the noob in many ways, and educate yourself out of that position. Again read more, type less. But I know that will never happen. You love to hear yourself talk too much to ever shut up long enough to learn anything.

Have a nice day.

 

[Forrest Gump 10+ year member]

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[MikeyB 5,000+ posts]

/end of thread

/end of cotjones

better?

 

[Forrest Gump 10+ year member]

wha?

 

[cotjones 10+ year member]

If you run an 18, that is capable of 145+ db, at normal listening levels (ie: gained down), you have, in effect, lowered the distortion threshold the speaker will produce. Let me put it a more simple way for you. For any given output level, the smaller sub will be required to work harder (closer to xmax, coil further out of the gap, etc) and therefor will display more distortion. So, when someone like you comes along and claims having a SQ 18 is 'stupid', it only shows your ignorance.

OK i agree with that, but the difference is probably negligable, at least enough not to spend 1er 2 hundred dollars extra.

You now claim your meaning, when you said "alot of the best SQ Subs are gunna be hard to get in an 18, mainly cause thats stupid", was that having an overpowering sub is stupid. But then later regurgitate the word 'headroom' that you have clearly read somewhere, but not fully comprehended, apparently.

yeah i said it was stupid, not impossible, whats unclear about that? (in most applications) it would be stupid to have 18's for SQ.

oops?

I wonder, will your ego always get in the way of you digging yourself out of the hole of ignorance you have created for yourself. Instead of listening to me and others here when we correct you, you insist on trying to find ways of making yourself look not-wrong. Do you really care so much what the people here think of you? Because I can tell you right now, your reputation here is already rock bottom. You need to start manning up and admitting you dont know everything about audio, you are in fact quite the noob in many ways, and educate yourself out of that position. Again read more, type less. But I know that will never happen. You love to hear yourself talk too much to ever shut up long enough to learn anything.
Have a nice day.

The ignorance in that hole is the ignorance of people like you this is about the 100th time you have put words in my mouth and tried to tell me I ment something other than I said. I haven't changed my story at all... so lets play this word game again...

"alot of the best SQ Subs are gunna be hard to get in an 18, mainly cause thats stupid"

lets rephrase the sentence a little..

"it would be stupid to get some of the best SQ subs in an 18."

NOT IN ANY WAY does that sentence's meaning resemble "18's can't produce SQ"

 

[Forrest Gump 10+ year member]

Ninja edit

 

[MikeyB 5,000+ posts]

cotjones, go away.

 

[cotjones 10+ year member]

cotjones, go away.

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[Forrest Gump 10+ year member]

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[cotjones 10+ year member]

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ooooo you are incredibly crafty lol

 

[MikeyB 5,000+ posts]

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