I want a "Wowing" 18

[Rashaddd 5,000+ posts]

OK i agree with that, but the difference is probably negligable, at least enough not to spend 1er 2 hundred dollars extra.

yeah i said it was stupid, not impossible, whats unclear about that? (in most applications) it would be stupid to have 18's for SQ.

oops?

The ignorance in that hole is the ignorance of people like you this is about the 100th time you have put words in my mouth and tried to tell me I ment something other than I said. I haven't changed my story at all... so lets play this word game again...

"alot of the best SQ Subs are gunna be hard to get in an 18, mainly cause thats stupid"

lets rephrase the sentence a little..

"it would be stupid to get some of the best SQ subs in an 18."

NOT IN ANY WAY does that sentence's meaning resemble "18's can't produce SQ"

lmao. You're fvckin certifiably retarded.

first off, when was the last time a company sold an 18 for $100-200 more than a 15 of the same sub, unless that couple hundred bucks is like 10% of the price...

second...it's a HUGE difference, one which you've obviously never heard.

third...there is nothing inherently stupid about having a SQ sub in an 18, other than sales. Most people looking for SQ tend not to want to give up a huge amount of space, and would be happy with a single good-sounding 10 or 12...the fact that an 18 has the potential to get loud has absolutely nothing to do with it's potential to sound good. Not to mention, both 'loud' and 'sound good' are subjective terms.

fourth...you're so dumb you don't even deserve to be in a sig, you should be in a museum or a lab.

fifth...audioholic respond to my pm!

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

OK i agree with that, but the difference is probably negligable, at least enough not to spend 1er 2 hundred dollars extra.

yeah i said it was stupid, not impossible, whats unclear about that? (in most applications) it would be stupid to have 18's for SQ.

oops?

The ignorance in that hole is the ignorance of people like you this is about the 100th time you have put words in my mouth and tried to tell me I ment something other than I said. I haven't changed my story at all... so lets play this word game again...

"alot of the best SQ Subs are gunna be hard to get in an 18, mainly cause thats stupid"

lets rephrase the sentence a little..

"it would be stupid to get some of the best SQ subs in an 18."

NOT IN ANY WAY does that sentence's meaning resemble "18's can't produce SQ"

How is "alot of the best SQ Subs are gunna be hard to get in an 18, mainly cause thats stupid" any different than saying "it would be stupid to get some of the best SQ subs in an 18"? More of your attempts to save face. The only thing we can definitively conclude from your statement is, you dont comprehend the reasoning behind wanting a larger driver for SQ, and dont understand the financial decisions behind why certain sizes are offered, while others aren't.
As stated before, the reason companies dont offer an 18" version of a sub, "SQ" or not, is due to financial reasons. The extra tooling of a whole new sized sub, for a relatively small order quantity versus the smaller sizes. That's it. Ever wonder why so many of the 'off the shelf' manufacturers offer 18's while proprietary companies who make the W7, W6v2, Gti, Type X, and IDMax dont? Its because those off the shelf manufacturers dont have much new tech to put into an 18" version, someone already has an 18" 12-spoke frame, with soft parts, surrounds, etc. So again, the more you try to convince us an 18" SQ sub is 'stupid' for what ever reason you want to come up with now is, well, stupid.

Rashadd, leaving for the g/f's house. PM me what ever info or questions you want on it, and I can try to take a look at it tomorrow. But to answer your question, not alot of experience trying to maximize output in that manner. Ive never competed in SPL and someone like a SnoopDan might be better to talk to about it. But Id be glad to help out any way i can.

Cheers.

 

[Rashaddd 5,000+ posts]

Rashadd, leaving for the g/f's house. PM me what ever info or questions you want on it, and I can try to take a look at it tomorrow. but to answer your question, not alot of experience trying to maimize output in that manner. Ive never competed in SPL and someone like a SnoopDan might be better to talk to about it. But Id be glad to help out any way i can.
Cheers.

Cool, I just figured you'd know alot about the physics of it and could at least lmk if what I'm saying/finding sounds right. I'll drop snoop a pm though

 

[Xprime4 10+ year member]

this tread is dangerous. Gunshot will be heard soon //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

no one answered me about the jl 15w3v2. How does it sound? i'm pretty sure that line isn't that loud tough but it got me interrested if I can make a deal on it

 

[cotjones 10+ year member]

first off, when was the last time a company sold an 18 for $100-200 more than a 15 of the same sub, unless that couple hundred bucks is like 10% of the price...

http://www.woofersetc.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=4922

http://www.woofersetc.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=4921

hmmm, thats a 600$ price difference in MSRP, and a 400$ difference in discount price... Got anything else stupid to say?

second...it's a HUGE difference, one which you've obviously never heard.

So you are gunna tell me that (if the IDmax came in a 15) if i had a 12" idmax using about 80% of its output potential, and a 15 dialed down to the exact same output level, YOU could tell the difference? who are you? dumbo?

third...there is nothing inherently stupid...

i didn't say it was inherently stupid, i said it is usually stupid...

about having a SQ sub in an 18, other than sales. Most people looking for SQ tend not to want to give up a huge amount of space, and would be happy with a single good-sounding 10 or 12...the fact that an 18 has the potential to get loud has absolutely nothing to do with it's potential to sound good. Not to mention, both 'loud' and 'sound good' are subjective terms.

you pretty much repeated me and then said i'm wrong

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

i didn't say it was inherently stupid, i said it is usually stupid...

You're gunna find out that alot of the best SQ Subs are gunna be hard to get in an 18, mainly cause thats stupid

No you didn't use the word 'inherently', but you certainly implied it. You didn't say a 18" SQ sub is sometimes stupid, or usually stupid, you said it is stupid. Again more of your spinning and squirming just to get out of admitting that *gasp* you dont know what the fuck you are talking about, once again.

Im actually glad you will never learn when to shut up, you are quite amusing. I bet your local homeboys think you are god's gift to car audio too, huh? Must be pretty hard on the ego to come here and realize just how little you really do know.

 

[cotjones 10+ year member]

How is "alot of the best SQ Subs are gunna be hard to get in an 18, mainly cause thats stupid" any different than saying "it would be stupid to get some of the best SQ subs in an 18"? More of your attempts to save face. The only thing we can definitively conclude from your statement is, you dont comprehend the reasoning behind wanting a larger driver for SQ, and dont understand the financial decisions behind why certain sizes are offered, while others aren't.

no, that rephrasing will work too... But I never said anything about the size affecting the SQ, you assumed that...

yes IMO, unless you are trying to provide the electronics for an ampitheater,

it doesn't usually make much sense to buy a high quality SQ sub in an 18. the output of an 18 is just way too much over-kill. To come close to its output potential is going to throw the systems SQ out the window unless you have some hellacious highs and mids. And underpowering rarely makes up for the difference in price you are talking about going from a 12 or 15 to an 18 in a high quality SQ line... (EVEN IF you could find one.)

As stated before, the reason companies dont offer an 18" version of a sub, "SQ" or not, is due to financial reasons. The extra tooling of a whole new sized sub, for a relatively small order quantity versus the smaller sizes. That's it. Ever wonder why so many of the 'off the shelf' manufacturers offer 18's while proprietary companies who make the W7, W6v2, Gti, Type X, and IDMax dont? Its because those off the shelf manufacturers dont have much new tech to put into an 18" version, someone already has an 18" 12-spoke frame, with soft parts, surrounds, etc. So again, the more you try to convince us an 18" SQ sub is 'stupid' for what ever reason you want to come up with now is, well, stupid.

i've been saying this for a long time about the reason JL doesn't come up with a larger model. However, i have a hard time believing a company like Alpine couldn't make a tremendous amount of money off of a 15" type-x much less an 18",

they offer it in the type-R? odd... People buy big sizes is spl subs, why not SQ? hmm maybe cause like i said before, thats STUPID...

if you are gunna crank your system, why pay a shit ton extra For SQ subs when you just want a thump box anyway?

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

Yes, headroom is a worthless idea that practically every SQ competitor these days usitlizes in one form or another with their system. they are all just "STUPID". Great call cot, I guess all those companies who DO offer an 18" SQ sub are just "STUPID". It must be wonderful thinking you have everything figured out at such a tender age.

Notice how I can make you look foolish without even mentioning your $7k Italian mod chip? Again, learn when to read, not just type. If you are here to impress anyone, you aren't. If you are here to stroke your ego, well that's just sad. If you are here to learn, shut the hell up and start already. Please chose one and act accordingly. Thanks.

 

[MikeyB 5,000+ posts]

cotjones, go away.

 

[Xprime4 10+ year member]

Cotjone have you ever heard of bass knob. Nice invention you turn it like a volume button and ... it does the same thing but only with the sub //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif

That way, when you feel like it, you crank it up. But the best out of it is that could can do the opposite too !

no one know how the 15w3v2's sound? What kind of output should I expect? I never heard a jl sub

 

[cotjones 10+ year member]

Yes, headroom is a worthless idea that practically every SQ competitor these days usitlizes in one form or another with their system. they are all just "STUPID". Great call cot, I guess all those companies who DO offer an 18" SQ sub are just "STUPID". It must be wonderful thinking you have everything figured out at such a tender age.
Notice how I can make you look foolish without even mentioning your $7k Italian mod chip? Again, learn when to read, not just type. If you are here to impress anyone, you aren't. If you are here to stroke your ego, well that's just sad. If you are here to learn, shut the hell up and start already. Please chose one and act accordingly. Thanks.

No head room is great, but you can usually get the head room you need out of decent 12's... 15's MAYBE, but 18's for a pure SQ isn't just head room, its over-kill. even most bottom-line 18's are quite loud enough to overpower a front stage.

The most amusing thing about this is that you are still arguing with me about my OPINION, (that 18's are stupid for SQ setups.) and reguardless of what you would like to imagine i said so you can entertain yourself, that opinion is based on the factor of output, NOT SQ. If i was going to enter an SQ competion, there is no way my first choice would be 18... unless i just had money to blow and wanted something unusual, or i was trying to prove a point, (like the SQ comp the 18" solo-x won.) but when it won, it was so dramatically under-powered in all reality he coulda won with 15's or 12's... it was mainly just to shut the people up that say the 18 solo-x is loud but sounds like a wet fart... (me)

There is a difference in paying 50 extra bucks for headroom, and paying 600 extra bucks for powerhandling you are going to half.

lets go to the lanes...

http://manuals.harman.com/articlefiles/JBL/CAR/JBL%20MS8%20and%20Team%20JBL%20at%202007%20Spring%20Break%20Nationals.pdf

hey guys. just wandering what kinda setup some of you guys are running in terms of sound quality. here's my setup....

Dynaudio Esotec System 242 GT

jl audio 300/2v2

treo ssi 12

jl audio 1000/1

CDT ES-5 mids and DRT-25 tweeters
Alpine MRP-F550 250w X 2 component amp

( 2 ) Fi Q 10" subs, sealed enclosure

American Bass VFL-200.1 sub amp 3000w

Lets go back to some lines of SQ subs...

Focal utopia:

5, 8, and 13 - NO 18

Focal Polyglass:

8, 11, and 13 - NO 18 (focal makes 18s in other lines)

Alumpro:

only offer's 10's and 12's - NO 18

JL W6V2:

8, 10, 12, 13 - NO 18

JL W7:

8, 10, 12, 13 - NO 18

Eclipse:

10's and 12's only- NO 18

Dynaudio:

8, 10, 12 - NO 18

DLS Ultimate nobelium:

10, 12, 15 - NO 18

DLS Ultimate iridium:

10, 12, 15 - NO 18 (but their SPL line does come in an 18... hmmm)

Soundsplinter RL-s:

12, 15 - NO 18 (soundsplinter ALSO offers an SPL sub in an 18)

DD 9100:

10, 12, 15 - NO 18 (hmmm like the only high end line they don't offer in an 18)

Diamond audio:

8, 10, 12, 15 - NO 18

Cerwin vega:

8, 10, 12, 15 - NO 18

IDq:

10, 12 - NO 18

IDmax:

10, 12 - NO 18

SI mag:

12 - NO 18

alpine Type-x:

10, 12 - NO 18 (but the type-R comes in a 15)

Polk:

8, 10, 12 - NO 18

Helix:

8, 10, 12 - NO 18

Aura:

8, 10, 12 - NO 18

Rainbows:

7, 8, 10, 12 - NO 18

Treo TSX:

10, 12, 15 - NO 18

Treo TE:

10, 12, 15 - NO 18

Treo TSi:

10, 12, 15 - NO 18 (treo is a good one, the ONLY subs they don't offer in 18's are their SQ oriented ones)

Dayton:

5, 6, 8, 10, 12, 15 - NO 18

Arc Flatline:

ONLY 12 - NO 18

Boston acoustics:

10, 12 - NO 18

Memphis MC:

8, 10, 12 - NO 18 (the only line besides their shit line that doesn't come higher than a 12)

PLEASE don't make me go on through the long list of popular SQ subs that DO NOT OFFER 18's

**** I can only really find 1... the FI's

 

[Megalomaniac 5,000+ posts]

Lil Maniac has an 18" Mag for sale cheap, buy it, he is legit.

 

[Rashaddd 5,000+ posts]

^you've got it all figured out, haven't you.

 

[cotjones 10+ year member]

Cotjone have you ever heard of bass knob. Nice invention you turn it like a volume button and ... it does the same thing but only with the sub //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif
That way, when you feel like it, you crank it up. But the best out of it is that could can do the opposite too !

no one know how the 15w3v2's sound? What kind of output should I expect? I never heard a jl sub

EW! bass knob is not volume button //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/eek.gif.771b7a90cf45cabdc554ff1121c21c4a.gif

 

[tc3k101 5,000+ posts]

lol @ cotjones