I want a "Wowing" 18

[cotjones 10+ year member]

If i made a concrete airplane you guys would argue till you are blue in the face that its a smart thing to do

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

This is the problem with this thread.
YES 18's can be used for SQ applications.

YES 18's theoretically, have an advantage in SQ. This is obvious.

YES there have been TONZ of SQ comps have been won by 18's.

AND YES 18's are just PEACHY for SQ.

MY ONLY POINT is, was, and will allways be...

that in a line of high dollar SQ subs...

The headroom achieved in an 18 vs a 15 er 12 is not worth the price increase.

So no one buys them, so no one makes them.

ergo: buying 18's for SQ is stupid unless you have a specific goal in mind (like proving that solo-x can sound good. and IB different...

If you had said that, rather than "You're gunna find out that alot of the best SQ Subs are gunna be hard to get in an 18, mainly cause thats stupid" I might believe you now. But you didn't. In fact, you followed it up with "The reason i think its stupid to do 18"s for sound quality is not because 18's can't sound good, it's cause an 18 will get loud, PERIOD."
You say the advantages with 18's in SQ are obvious, yet you still found no reason to mention them when you stated that an 18" SQ sub is "STUPID". I think the only thing obvious here is that you learned something in this thread, but are too childish to admit it. I bet you never state the one-liner that 18" SQ subs are simply "stupid" ever again.

 

[Mc_Hammer 10+ year member]

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Appearantly discontinued

I don't know what you are talking about, that doesn't even make sense... so i'm going to ignore it... THE RLS comes in a 12 and 15 ONLY... but their other line more for SPL use (RL-P) IS offered in an 18

^^^^^^no LMS based 3" coiled sub (the RL-fvcking-s you inbread retard) was ever made into an 18" because the T/s specs would be soooo wacked out, and your saying the Rlp is an Spl sub simply because it doesnt use LMS tech? so i guess none of the other subs you listed are SQ subs either... again, ****ing mororn

ok? so they don't make them USUALLY

NOPE, no stroker 18

i assume you dont know that there are two versions of the stroker, one of which was made in an 18"... and they all sounded like ***

if they did make them, they must be discontinued

Call them and ask, or click on the link... idc either way, your obviously wrong

You guys still aren't understanding this... it is by no means impossible to run an SQ setup with 18's, it just doesn't make much sence. and almost every Car audio manufacturer out there has figured this out, WHY CAN'T YOU??? EVEN a 15 can give MORE than enough headroom for an SQ setup, WHY GO BIGGER FOR THE HELL OF IT?

Audioholic already explained this... ill put it in retard terms so you might understand (doubtfull)

 

more cone = less work (and distortion) to create the same output, now stop being a fvcking idiot and go kill yourself

 

[Mc_Hammer 10+ year member]

If i made a concrete airplane you guys would argue till you are blue in the face that its a smart thing to do

no i would smash it over your fucking head

 

[cotjones 10+ year member]

You picked the sub with the largest discrepancy you could find between a 15" and an 18", you quote its msrp figures which we all know is BS, and then try to claim it as the norm, rather than the exception. This further shows your complete dedication to worming your way out of simply admitting you were wrong. What you dont realize is Cot, its not being wrong all these times that has made you the laughing stock of this forum, alot of people here are wrong alot of the time. What makes you stand out from the crowd, is your sheer inability to admit ignorance, your seeming desire to want us to respect what you say when the exact opposite is true, and the diligence with which you will try to defend a flawed argument. Keep it up, please. The forum just wouldn't be the same without you.

now these prices are all based on woofers etc.

Type-R:

12"=$140

15"=$263

Alumpro h20:

10"=$210

12"=$260

this is boring, go look yourself, 18s are way more expensive than 18's

That setup is stupid too? LOL! I guess its become clear now, anything you dont agree with, or more often that you dont understand, you simply label as 'stupid' and move on. The mantra of the ignorant.
And how much did you pay for your four JL 10's and one JL 13.5 for your SQ setup? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

Im heading to work, play nice kids.

He probably paid way over $20,000 for that setup, yeah i call that stupid, how much better than a traditional MUCH cheaper setup, can that POSSIBLY sound

 

[duece212 5,000+ posts]

18s are way more expensive than 18's

no shit?

 

[squeak9798 5,000+ posts]

Focal utopia:

5, 8, and 13

Focal Polyglass:

8, 11, and 13

Alumpro:

only offer's 10's and 12's

JL W6V2:

8, 10, 12, 13

JL W7:

8, 10, 12, 13

Eclipse:

10's and 12's only

Dynaudio:

8, 10, 12

IDmax:

10, 12

SI mag:

12

alpine Type-x:

10, 12

Polk:

8, 10, 12

Helix:

8, 10, 12

Aura:

8, 10, 12

Rainbows:

7, 8, 10, 12

Arc Flatline:

ONLY 12

Boston acoustics:

10, 12

Memphis MC:

8, 10, 12

That's that pretty long list of lines that also do not offer 15's.

So, by using your own list, I will form the argument that 15" subwoofers are stupid and the increased displacement isn't worth the difference in price.

I mean, look, there's a $300 price difference here;

http://www.woofersetc.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=4920

http://www.woofersetc.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=4921

There is a larger percentage increase in price to go from a 12" to a 15" than it is a 15" to the 18".

Oh, and the Rl-p is not an SPL line. The TC9 motors are widely acknowledged as a quality low distortion motor design. Not LMS low, but a quality overhung design nonetheless. So yes, Soundsplinter offers a "sound quality" oriented 18" subwoofer.

 

[mendon mafia 10+ year member]

i like arguments

 

[Mc_Hammer 10+ year member]

lawl at squeaks poast

 

[cotjones 10+ year member]

If you had said that, rather than "You're gunna find out that alot of the best SQ Subs are gunna be hard to get in an 18, mainly cause thats stupid" I might believe you now. But you didn't. In fact, you followed it up with "The reason i think its stupid to do 18"s for sound quality is not because 18's can't sound good, it's cause an 18 will get loud, PERIOD."
You say the advantages with 18's in SQ are obvious, yet you still found no reason to mention them when you stated that an 18" SQ sub is "STUPID". I think the only thing obvious here is that you learned something in this thread, but are too childish to admit it. I bet you never state the one-liner that 18" SQ subs are simply "stupid" ever again.

Normally i wouldn't have to...

If i was anyone else i wouldn't have been argued with, esspecially after explaining my meaning repeatedly... it's not a hard concept... Honestly?

YOU are going to tell ME what I ment by something?

i think its more a case of you argued with me for like 8 pages about something that i was kinda right about and now you WANT me to have ment something else so YOU don't look so ridiculous...

NEVER, did i ever even infer, my arguement had anything to do with the SQ capability of an 18... i said OUTPUT, OUTPUT, OUTPUT... the 18's aren't worth the price just for the headroom or output potential (when you are wanting SQ)

It's only because of incidents like (the italian chip) that it's so "Fun" to flame me...

so much that even when i say something logical, you will change it to mean something.

 

[Mc_Hammer 10+ year member]

every time you speak you give us reasons to make fun of you Cot... now answer Squeaks post...

 

[Rashaddd 5,000+ posts]

this is boring, go look yourself, 18s are way more expensive than 18's

Once again, your logic is flawless.

Woofersetc? Terrible prices.

How about Mach 5 for instance, IXL's

10" = $165

12" = $192 (16% higher)

15" = $220 (14% higher)

18" = $265 (20% higher)

This INCLUDES shipping, which obviously gets exponentially more expensive as you get to a bigger, heavier package, in almsot all cases. Hell about half those increases are probably just added shipping charges...remember, these are coming from canada...

 

[cotjones 10+ year member]

That's that pretty long list of lines that also do not offer 15's.
So, by using your own list, I will form the argument that 15" subwoofers are stupid and the increased displacement isn't worth the difference in price.

I mean, look, there's a $300 price difference here;

http://www.woofersetc.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=4920

http://www.woofersetc.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=4921

There is a larger percentage increase in price to go from a 12" to a 15" than it is a 15" to the 18".

Oh, and the Rl-p is not an SPL line. The TC9 motors are widely acknowledged as a quality low distortion motor design. Not LMS low, but a quality overhung design nonetheless. So yes, Soundsplinter offers a "sound quality" oriented 18" subwoofer.

My arguement isn't BASED on the fact that most subs aren't offered in 18's, it just illustrates the point... Also notice that the ones which don't offer 15's either are some of the most expensive and best SQ lines out there.

and yes there is larger percentage increase, in smaller sizes... not price... otherwise you would probably never sell an 18.

i don't have much experience with the RL-p, never heard one installed i was just going by this:

Our newest and largest coned driver, the RL-p18 is downright astounding for home theater use, particularly in large-low-tuned vented enclosures or infinite baffle alignments. Taking into account the solid stats on the Premium Series home page, the RL-p18's beefed up 215 ounce magnet structure, dual 8.5" spiders and upgraded tall NBR rubber surround make way for absolutely insane low-frequency SPL capability!

 

[Rashaddd 5,000+ posts]

My arguement isn't BASED on the fact that most subs aren't offered in 18's, it just illustrates the point... Also notice that the ones which don't offer 15's either are some of the most expensive and best SQ lines out there.
and yes there is larger percentage increase, in smaller sizes... not price... otherwise you would probably never sell an 18.

i don't have much experience with the RL-p, never heard one installed i was just going by this:

ONCE MORE, this is because the people looking for SQ typically aren't looking to fill up what space they have with an 18" driver, when a 15 or a 12 or a 10 or even an 8 is good enough for them. If someone HAS the space and wants to give it up, YOU would argue that they should get six 12's instead of two 18's, because 18's are 'stupid' for SQ

 

[cotjones 10+ year member]

ONCE MORE, this is because the people looking for SQ typically aren't looking to fill up what space they have with an 18" driver, when a 15 or a 12 or a 10 or even an 8 is good enough for them.

HOLY SHIT!?!?!?!?!

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