I signed a paper, right thing to do or not?

[Ohioguy 10+ year member]

ok. sure thing. Phuck it then keep it illegal. You can have your opinion and live your life how you chose. I Said nothing implying that it was ok to "i wouldnt want to work a job where everyone is high and cant even do their own work because theyre too relaxed and shit" Get high at work. I said they better watch thier azz if the do that chit at work.Your ******** complaing about progress in life when straightedge fagsss in politics and wallstreet ruined the economy. Whatever minimumwage boy. I dont give a chit about how my inhaleing affects your life. because it doesnt affect it anymore than the next guy. I could care less if it was legal or not because I am done smoking weed anyways. But if it helps keep the city running and the roads paved then phuck it. legalise and tax the chit. Like I said, straightedge fagsss in politics and finacee sure did a good job there. cost of living goes up, employers cant keep up with paying out more for the same stupid chit. Good job relating weed to economics bro. Tell your BS to the millions of people that are finacially secure and still enjoy smoking out.

haha i like how you all think weed is going to fix roads and bridges because its some ''billion dollar industry''. cigarettes and beer are both billion dollar industries and i highly doubt any of that money goes to any american infrastructure. if it does very very little. weed is like obama. a ''savior''! when weed is legal, the economy will be running perfect. just like obama. when he was elected, this country became perfect. the promises of tax cuts, new jobs, everything all a lie. same with weed. when thats legal, there will be so many ways around it that it will still put alot of people in jail. you think the DEA is bad now? oh just wait. when you dont like how the government regulates the laws on weed and wanna grow your own or some shit, im sure there will be huge penalties set aside. if you all want to help pave the roads and build a bridge on the river kwai, id suggest going to school, getting a job, and start putting money you make back into the economy rather than waiting to buy some pot the legal way.

 

[subzero 5,000+ posts]

haha i like how you all think weed is going to fix roads and bridges because its some ''billion dollar industry''. cigarettes and beer are both billion dollar industries and i highly doubt any of that money goes to any american infrastructure. if it does very very little. weed is like obama. a ''savior''! when weed is legal, the economy will be running perfect. just like obama. when he was elected, this country became perfect. the promises of tax cuts, new jobs, everything all a lie. same with weed. when thats legal, there will be so many ways around it that it will still put alot of people in jail. you think the DEA is bad now? oh just wait. when you dont like how the government regulates the laws on weed and wanna grow your own or some shit, im sure there will be huge penalties set aside. if you all want to help pave the roads and build a bridge on the river kwai, id suggest going to school, getting a job, and start putting money you make back into the economy rather than waiting to buy some pot the legal way.

I would say your too late with your suggestions. I am a fed employee and I am in school working on completing my Electronics Engineering degree. You can't tell me anything new. FYI-NOBODY likes Obama. Those people that hoped he could and would change the USA for the better are wishing they could take thier votes back. Stop being such a hard *** about Weed. Because Back in the days before you or I where born, Alcohol was also illegal and so was producing and distributing it. Times change and new players take the stage. If does become legal it would be taxed and probly higher than that of cigerettes. So, next time you have a beer, thank the men and women who FOUGHT to make it legal so you can enjoy. And they do sell micro brew for the home.

 

[jamesw 10+ year member]

what makes you think the government would legalize it to get someone ****ed up? people bring up drinking. but did you ever hear the saying ''drink responsibly''? thats pretty much saying drink to have a good time with friends and this and that but dont get ****ed up. if the government legalized weed, they wouldnt be putting some potent *** strains out there in stores. you have stupid logic. all of you have stupid logic when it comes to this. you all think it would be like opening a door and saying come over here where weed is now legal. no. you would constantly have even more people being arrested for going over the limit. why make it legal? i wouldnt want to work a job where everyone is high and cant even do their own work because theyre too relaxed and shit. its like an example of minimum wage. you have people who worked hard all their lifes, then minimum wage rose and now people who have their first job are making as much as people who worked 5-10 years etc. same with weed. all these people went to jail and shit, legalize it, and you now have millions of innocent people in jail. if you wanna smoke, ****ing dont get caught. if you cant handle not getting caught, you shouldnt even have marijuana on you at all.

buddy your late there already is potent *** strains out there.. There are places where weed is legal you know. lol@ you

 

[jamesw 10+ year member]

haha i like how you all think weed is going to fix roads and bridges because its some ''billion dollar industry''. cigarettes and beer are both billion dollar industries and i highly doubt any of that money goes to any american infrastructure. if it does very very little. weed is like obama. a ''savior''! when weed is legal, the economy will be running perfect. just like obama. when he was elected, this country became perfect. the promises of tax cuts, new jobs, everything all a lie. same with weed. when thats legal, there will be so many ways around it that it will still put alot of people in jail. you think the DEA is bad now? oh just wait. when you dont like how the government regulates the laws on weed and wanna grow your own or some shit, im sure there will be huge penalties set aside. if you all want to help pave the roads and build a bridge on the river kwai, id suggest going to school, getting a job, and start putting money you make back into the economy rather than waiting to buy some pot the legal way.

Dumbass thats what a tax is FYI and why are you comparing obama and weed????

 

[jamesw 10+ year member]

To be honest any of the anti marijuana posters are filled with nothing but garbage

 

[newusername 10+ year member]

"Marijuana causes cancer."

No, there has never been a causal link established, and most evidence of direct administration of THC to cancer cells suggests that it actually kills cancer. Check out the studies on THC and breast cancer, as well as brain cancer. The cells go into a state of apoptosis, a form of programmed cell death.

"Marijuana has more tar than tobacco."

Marijuana does have more carcinogens than cigarettes. The good thing is that it has a variety of cannabinoids that seem to offer a protective effect, as detalied by Dr. Donald Tashkin from UCLA in his extensive study of the correlation between marijuana smoking and cancer, as well as marijuana smoking and COPD (Chronic Obstructive Pulmonary Disorder, such as emphysema).

"Tax the shit out of it."

Uh, no. In my opinion, the strongest reason for legalizing all drugs is that it eliminates the black market. When marijuana is sold legally, companies will have all the overhead that legitimate businesses have, plus they will likely be heavily regulated. These costs add up to the extent that adding a heavy tax would give a black market room to undercut the legal market on price, similar to what you see with cigarettes right now. Keep the cost of legal drugs roughly equitable with the cost of illegal drugs to help kill the black market and gangs, and that is likely only possible with a small tax threshold. Look at Harvard Economist Jeffrey Miron's work on this.

"Marijuana makes people do other drugs."

This is the post-hoc, ergo propter hoc fallacy, ie. "After the fact, therefore because of the fact." If we follow this fallacy, then cigarettes, alcohol, and every prescription drug under the sun are gateway drugs, because they are almost universally used prior to marijuana or any "harder drug". Now if your argument is that there is scientific evidence that smoking marijuana will lead to doing other drugs, you're simply wrong because there isn't. There are a few possible causes of such a gateway effect: 1) the disenfranchisement of youth after experiencing the lies behind cannabis, thus making them take information about harder drugs less seriously, 2) drugs being sold by drug dealers with a financial incentive to sell people other more addictive drugs, 3) A person who is willing to try drugs like marijuana or alcohol just to try them is likely to be what is called a "poly-drug user", meaning they're just interested in acquiring the experience of a variety of different drugs.

In fact, you can look at the statistics and tell that this argument is a lie: over 100 million US citizens use marijuana every year, and yet less than 10% of those users use other illegal drugs.

"Kids will smoke more weed."

Regulation would require that weed is sold to someone of legal age. Studies right now show that it is easier for kids to buy weed than it is for them to buy alcohol, simply because no one in the parking lot after school asks for ID.

"Weed will be more popular if it is legal."

Perhaps, though most evidence points in the other direction (look at Portugal and The Netherlands, for example). Still, it seems to me that use of drugs overall would remain the same, just that people would be switching from alcohol to cannabis, which I think is just fine considering that it is safer in the physiological sense and produces an intoxication far more conducive to safe social interaction; where drunk people get loud, angry, and violent, a person high on cannabis tends to be far more mellow.

 

[newusername 10+ year member]

Last one....

"No one needs to smoke more than an 1/8 a week."

Well, there are medical patients that smoke far, far more than that, so on its face your argument seems a little specious. Perhaps no healthy person needs (in the strongest sense of the word) to smoke cannabis ever. Regardless, I would argue that no person has the right to tell any other person how much of anything they're really allowed to have if they're not harming someone. For the same reason that I don't tell other people how much food they should be eating, I allow an individual the personal liberty to make their own choice.

 

[Blue Fury 10+ year member]

nativeboy, jamesw, subzero, djazmatic, mazdakid and any other person that supports it in this thread thus far: you still have yet to even acknowledge my post:

Marijuana has been around for a long time, but really hit America during the 50s and 60s. For a half century, all the petitions, all the songs, all the media and all of the legal issues that support marijuana have only legalized it for medicinal use. You can't tell me that people haven't thought to tax it. MANY years of it being illegal say that taxing will not be enough to outweigh it's negative effects. I fully believe that any idea that anyone has brought up on here that supports marijuana has already been thought of, brought to congress, and finally denied at least once. How have all of you not thought of this already? Did the last decades od pro-marijuana never happen just because you didn't think about it?

 

[KyleBechtold 5,000+ posts]

I honestly don't care.. I really think anything that affects no one else should not even be able to be considered a law.. Seatbelt, smoking, ******* w/e.. its your body your life fuck it which ever way you please..

but hell.. I am one of those people that says fuck it.. take the warning labels off everything that common sense covers and let the retards weed themselves out..

 

[swaptrex 10+ year member]

Don't Legalize!

Decriminalize!

 

[nativeboy 10+ year member]

lol......

 

[KyleBechtold 5,000+ posts]

Funny how dumb some people are lets go for a ride

Why legalize it? How much good would it do? Easily not enough./

Besides the prospect of taxing it the millions-billions saved on enforcement/jailing trials/retrials etc would make it plenty worth it.

ehh people who smoke will smoke anyways. you still wont be able to do it in public places, and there isnt really strict laws against it now. Besides, if it gets legalized, price will skyrockettt (especially if our shithead of a pres and the members of congress) if we have a centralized health system

Price will not sky rocket.. it will go down.. price is high now because why would they risk it and sell it cheap.. when/if legal they can mass produce it and sell it cheaper/better safer conditions too as in not dealing with dealers if you don't want..

Lets recongnize that in America, alcohol is way more popular than marijuana. Just on alcohol alone, can you tell me much profit is made? Kee in mind, profit is after money to keep regulations, enforcement of the regulations, etc.
Besides, how is this thread not founded by the other argument of, 'I mainly want them to legalize it so I can smoke it without violating the law to just get high'.

DUIs public intoxication tickets all money.. Taxes etc for alcohol.. It has a Foundation formed up by many reasons.. People killing people in mexico is a Big one as well whether people realize it or not.. You can say the same for anything that was once considered illegal..

You just said some of the reasons; avalability, and it's acceptance. I don't know why you used quotes aroud popular other than to suggest that you deny it. Wake up. It is.
So here's a better one for you. Marijuana has been around for a long time, but really hit America during the 50s and 60s. For a half century, all the petitions, all the songs, all the media and all of the legal issues that support marijuana have only legalized it for medicinal use. You can't tell me that people haven't thought to tax it. MANY years of it being illegal say that taxing will not be enough to outweigh it's negative effects. I fully believe that any idea that anyone has brought up on here that supports marijuana has already been thought of, brought to congress, and finally denied at least once. How have all of you not thought of this already? Did the last decades od pro-marijuana never happen just because you didn't think about it?

The government is absolutely correct on all their decisions right.. thats what you sound like.. Slavery took a while to change bud.. repetition helps.. you poke something in the same spot enough regardless of force it will start to feel it..

As in?? I really want to hear what you have to say on this one..

new things have occurred as in the rise in violence in mexico.. things will change whether your conservative *** likes it or not..

thing is, if you start with weed youll end up going to other more harmful drugs. once your done with weed you go to coke, then pills, then heroin and meth. its a chain. its sad but true

Ya when I am done with beer I am going to start Moonshine... Stfu.. obviously you have your failures at life.. they do what they will and die. no one cares..

what makes you think the government would legalize it to get someone ****ed up? people bring up drinking. but did you ever hear the saying ''drink responsibly''? thats pretty much saying drink to have a good time with friends and this and that but dont get ****ed up. if the government legalized weed, they wouldnt be putting some potent *** strains out there in stores. you have stupid logic. all of you have stupid logic when it comes to this. you all think it would be like opening a door and saying come over here where weed is now legal. no. you would constantly have even more people being arrested for going over the limit. why make it legal? i wouldnt want to work a job where everyone is high and cant even do their own work because theyre too relaxed and shit. its like an example of minimum wage. you have people who worked hard all their lifes, then minimum wage rose and now people who have their first job are making as much as people who worked 5-10 years etc. same with weed. all these people went to jail and shit, legalize it, and you now have millions of innocent people in jail. if you wanna smoke, ****ing dont get caught. if you cant handle not getting caught, you shouldnt even have marijuana on you at all.

HAHA.. you are a jackass.. lets go down the line..

Drink responsibly was an *** cover for alcohol businesses to avoid getting sued.. but nice try... weed etc will say smoke responsibly..

over the limit? what cops going to make you pee in a cup? pull some hair.. if so don't smoke and drive if you do and its against the law you run the risk..

Coming to work with people high.. come on dude use your brain.. at least once in your life.. they would get fired... its like saying people come to work smashed all the time since its legal... a durrr...//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif stop talking until you learn something..

as for the people in jail they would most likely be freed with no restitution as they did it when it was illegal plain and simple..

haha i like how you all think weed is going to fix roads and bridges because its some ''billion dollar industry''. cigarettes and beer are both billion dollar industries and i highly doubt any of that money goes to any american infrastructure. if it does very very little. weed is like obama. a ''savior''! when weed is legal, the economy will be running perfect. just like obama. when he was elected, this country became perfect. the promises of tax cuts, new jobs, everything all a lie. same with weed. when thats legal, there will be so many ways around it that it will still put alot of people in jail. you think the DEA is bad now? oh just wait. when you dont like how the government regulates the laws on weed and wanna grow your own or some shit, im sure there will be huge penalties set aside. if you all want to help pave the roads and build a bridge on the river kwai, id suggest going to school, getting a job, and start putting money you make back into the economy rather than waiting to buy some pot the legal way.

Stop.. You have no idea what you are saying.. at all.. its like blabber.. If the dea regulates it to your disliking you can do a few things.. either boycott and don't smoke it.. or grow your own.. people brew their own alcohol.. not just talking illegal moonshine here..

 

[Blue Fury 10+ year member]

Funny how dumb some people are lets go for a ride
Besides the prospect of taxing it the millions-billions saved on enforcement/jailing trials/retrials etc would make it plenty worth it.

DUIs public intoxication tickets all money.. Taxes etc for alcohol.. It has a Foundation formed up by many reasons.. People killing people in mexico is a Big one as well whether people realize it or not.. You can say the same for anything that was once considered illegal..

Nice of you to start this one out with an insult..

Anyway, I find it hard to believe that a tax on marijuana alone will bring millions-billions in PROFIT to a positive cause. Unless you can get some proof of it, that idea is can't be held as completely true. And again, if you don't think that the people working for the government over time haven't thought of taxing it? Don't you think that if they thought it would bring millions-billions (as you say) of dollars INTO the US, they wouldn't have second guessed the legalization? Of course they wouldn't have! It would be ridiculous of them not to with the huge debt the country has. This is not a hard concept to wrap around! Lol, drug or not, how could the government not jump on the opportunity to get some income? So by basic LOGIC, the profit from legalizing it along with all the costs of regulations and such is NOT enough to get the ball rolling.

The government is absolutely correct on all their decisions right.. thats what you sound like.. Slavery took a while to change bud.. repetition helps.. you poke something in the same spot enough regardless of force it will start to feel it..
As in?? I really want to hear what you have to say on this one..

new things have occurred as in the rise in violence in mexico.. things will change whether your conservative *** likes it or not..

Not one time did I say they were correct in their actions. Yes I am against it, but my argument is that it will not happen. The purpose of my post was to remind all of you that based on HISTORY, and all the pro/negative actions towards the subject, all that has come of it was legal medicinal use.

Without bringing money into question, slavery mistreated people and it was deemed immoral and unethical. Without bringing money into question again because of my above argument and considering true medicinal use has been covered, what positive effects come from USING marijuana?

new things have occurred as in the rise in violence in mexico.. things will change whether your conservative *** likes it or not..

New thing like what? A positive effect of smoking marijuana?

 

[1rockford1 5,000+ posts]

take pills, there is no smell ftw

 

[JeepCreepin96 10+ year member]

its a plant.

I don't think too much about it becoming legalized, because it won't be happening any time soon. I just believe it should be decriminalized. $50 or $100 fine for getting caught, maybe repeat offenders recieve more fines or community service or something. I think that facing year(s) in jail for being in posession of a naturally growing plant is stupid.