Yea I think the should just be fined for possession of it too unless its an extremely large amount or if you're driving high. Jails are overcrowded as it is. More time should be spent going towards more harsh drugs and more important crimes.
"Don't legalize; decriminalize!"
Ah, so you like black markets, do you? You like gangs pulling in profit, and you like dispute resolution to happen through turf wars and gun fights, not fought in the courts. You like a lack of tax revenue. You like all the results that come from not regulating the industry (like no quality control and no distribution control).
Decriminalization is the worst of both worlds.
"What has changed?"
Public opinion, mostly. There is greater support for cannabis legalization than there has ever been. For the first time ever, a majority of Californians polled said they support cannabis legalization. There will be a proposition in 2010 or 2012 (they haven't decided when will work better strategically) to have cannabis completely legalized, regulated, and taxed throughout all of California, and it has a good shot at getting passed.
The increased understanding of the similarities between drug prohibition and alcohol prohibition, when paired with the rising violence in Mexico and along the US-Mexico border, has helped shift the view of the public.
"I don't see billions in profit if it's legalized and taxed."
Frankly, you haven't looked at any of the economic analysis that's already been done, if that's what you believe.
Any way you cut it, prohibition is the most harmful policy.
Ah, so you like black markets, do you? You like gangs pulling in profit, and you like dispute resolution to happen through turf wars and gun fights, not fought in the courts. You like a lack of tax revenue. You like all the results that come from not regulating the industry (like no quality control and no distribution control).
Decriminalization is the worst of both worlds.
"What has changed?"
Public opinion, mostly. There is greater support for cannabis legalization than there has ever been. For the first time ever, a majority of Californians polled said they support cannabis legalization. There will be a proposition in 2010 or 2012 (they haven't decided when will work better strategically) to have cannabis completely legalized, regulated, and taxed throughout all of California, and it has a good shot at getting passed.
The increased understanding of the similarities between drug prohibition and alcohol prohibition, when paired with the rising violence in Mexico and along the US-Mexico border, has helped shift the view of the public.
"I don't see billions in profit if it's legalized and taxed."
Frankly, you haven't looked at any of the economic analysis that's already been done, if that's what you believe.
Any way you cut it, prohibition is the most harmful policy.
I will say that I agree with the concept that drugs shouldn't be legalized just for tax revenue, though; there are a lot of social ills that prohibition is contributing to, and prohibition has shown an utter and complete inability to curb drug use; those are the best reasons for ending prohibition.
Atleast read before you post damn...
and LOL at you thinking the government thinks logically and only does whats good!!
I said besides the prospect of taxing......... millions- billions could be saved from enforcement/jailing trials/retrials etc...
and LOL at you thinking the government thinks logically and only does whats good!!
Its called progress.. things like this don't happen overnight.. steps.. steps.. small amounts are decriminalized in states already.. so..???
what positive effects come from cigarettes alcohol strippers etc etc? its entertainment.. its about freedoms to do what you want when you want without infringing on others rights.. not without possibly hurting yourself..
yes THC has been studied like crazy for the past years and is determined to slow and even in cases kill cancer cells. More people smoke it now then in previous years.. Certain states have legalized small amounts.
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they won't legalize marijauna simply because they would loose from the legal system. the money they make from people on probation and court cost of people getting busted with pot cost more than money than what they could tax it for if it were legal
Have you looked at any actual economic analysis, done by real economists?
whats worse than it not being legal is the current drug laws in our country.
I think drugs are not good but to give some one 10 years for 4 1/2 ounces of coke or 20 years in the feds for 24 ounces of meth automatic or 12 years for 50 pounds of weed is crazy to me. Its not good to sell drugs but to take someones life away for doing it is crazy.
I know guys who got less for murder than other guys who had drug cases.
If we put them away for 20 year shouldnt a child molester or ****** just go straight to death row? Rapists and molesters get 3-7 years for destroying someones life.
Our drug laws are a big reason that we have the worlds largest prison population.
i agree i watched a show and some dude committed a murder and only got like three years. i smoked back in high school and everything, but i graduated i had a stoner friend that graduated in top of the class and now is an engineer, my father in law does and runs a successful auto upolstrey business and his cars he does ranges from older porches to an average daily hell he has did one ferrari and hell he smokes the good shit he is agianst the government and everything i think they should legalize it, isnt legal in like 11 states already??
I think drugs are not good but to give some one 10 years for 4 1/2 ounces of coke or 20 years in the feds for 24 ounces of meth automatic or 12 years for 50 pounds of weed is crazy to me. Its not good to sell drugs but to take someones life away for doing it is crazy.
I know guys who got less for murder than other guys who had drug cases.
If we put them away for 20 year shouldnt a child molester or ****** just go straight to death row? Rapists and molesters get 3-7 years for destroying someones life.
Our drug laws are a big reason that we have the worlds largest prison population.
i agree i watched a show and some dude committed a murder and only got like three years. i smoked back in high school and everything, but i graduated i had a stoner friend that graduated in top of the class and now is an engineer, my father in law does and runs a successful auto upolstrey business and his cars he does ranges from older porches to an average daily hell he has did one ferrari and hell he smokes the good shit he is agianst the government and everything i think they should legalize it, isnt legal in like 11 states already??
wrong-o they lose money there.. think how many use public defenders.. trials/retrials cost ALOT
Blue Fury
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Like I said in the last post, until you can show proof that millions- billions could be saved, that can't be held as a reliable statement. Yes, some money would be saved, but we can't know until a thorough study has been carried out. Maybe one has, but you haven't supplied the results to back up your claim.
Where again did I say the government only does good? You said that last time, and I don't know where you can quote me explicitly saying that. You did however quote me saying, "Not one time did I say they were correct in their actions." And I was using my logic in deducting to get to that conclusion.
I'm not sure if it's appropriate to call the legalization of a drug with more negative side effects than positive progress...
I didn't ask about other things, only marijuana. And the "freedoms to do what you want when you want without infringing on others rights" can be done with a multitude of other things that are not drugs, like music. This is not a positive effect of using marijuana because it is not the only thing to allow this freedom.
BUT,
This is GREAT! But, we all know THC is in poppy seeds. This leads me to believe that other things contain THC as well. Furthermore, why couldn't we apply a correct amount to a pill or other form of medication? Seems that the medical drug industry (OMG THAT PART OF THE HEALTH SYSTEM!!) would profit more than this than everyone else it marijuana were to be legalized.
But you say SOME cases. You really have to provide some numbers from the studies to make that valid. SOME cases could mean 100 of 200 cases, or 1 of 1000000. Then you'd have to think how many people would be cured of cancer compared to how many would be killed, say in a car accident caused by a user, if it was legal. Now think the opposite, How many die from cancer that MIGHT have been saved to how many crashes don't happen. But it'd be useless without some study numbers.
Still, there are other methods to slow and sometimes kill cancer cells. We all know of radiation treatment, so read up on how Lance Armstrong most likely overcame his cancer. So specifically from marijuana, what are the positive effects of using it?
ahaha you all got shitted on by kyle... all thats coming out is blabber
I told you which economist to look for if you want to read about the cost-savings in eliminating prohibition. You could also try reading The Economist magazine, which has endorsed legalization as the least harmful policy for a while now. They regularly run articles on the negative economic and social impacts of prohibition. In 2005, the famed economist Milton Friedman and 500 fellow economists said that legalization of marijuana needs to be considered. I wonder why....
Does an item need to have more positive effects than negative effects in order for it to be legal? Based on past precedent, obviously not. The question is: which policy, when looked at as a whole, does the most harm? The answer is prohibition.
By the way, there is no THC in poppy seeds (poppy seeds contain opiates). There is also a pill called marinol that, by the account of most medical patients, leaves you more stoned, is harder on the stomach, and is far more expensive.
Does an item need to have more positive effects than negative effects in order for it to be legal? Based on past precedent, obviously not. The question is: which policy, when looked at as a whole, does the most harm? The answer is prohibition.
By the way, there is no THC in poppy seeds (poppy seeds contain opiates). There is also a pill called marinol that, by the account of most medical patients, leaves you more stoned, is harder on the stomach, and is far more expensive.
You have the intelligence of a 5th grader, stop posting.
You failed.
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plugitin
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drugs ruin lives...period. I have seen it first hand way to many times...
Dont get me wrong, alcohol is just as bad.
i will never be for legalizing any sort of drug...
Dont get me wrong, alcohol is just as bad.
i will never be for legalizing any sort of drug...
No it really isnot....cigarettes do not really mess people up inhaling the smoke around you, well it puts tar in their lungs and all that shit, not going to debate that, but second hand weed smoke can still give you a high, you want to be sitting in a bowlingally, or chucky cheese smoking weed and getting a little 8 yr old kid high off the smoke?....
I agree with it being legalized but it should stay out of public places
snoopdan
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I'm sure debating this on a car audio forum will move along the implementation of anti-prohibition laws.
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