Gang problem

[LuNaTiC 10+ year member]

wow. and we always think it's black people

We don't "think" it.....

 

[JLCivic 10+ year member]

i wrote a set of papers on this very topic this semesterthe conflict between teachers and parents

You would be amazed. I purposely did NOT attend a PET meeting on one of my students last week because I feared that I would hit the mother in the head with a frying pan.

She has a 16 year old son, and if he is not doing well in a class, her first inclination is to complain that the school should have called her, emailed her, sent a smoke signal or something.

MY first inclination would have been, "son, what is your problem, and why haven't you been doing your work," but why hold a kid accountable when you can just complain about the school.

 

[Acidburn 5,000+ posts]

You would be amazed. I purposely did NOT attend a PET meeting on one of my students last week because I feared that I would hit the mother in the head with a frying pan.
She has a 16 year old son, and if he is not doing well in a class, her first inclination is to complain that the school should have called her, emailed her, sent a smoke signal or something.

MY first inclination would have been, "son, what is your problem, and why haven't you been doing your work," but why hold a kid accountable when you can just complain about the school.

thats exactly what i wrote about

stories where parents yelled at and even threatened teachers because little johnny wasnt doing well

 

[JLCivic 10+ year member]

Gangsta or wannabe intelligence proved here:http://www.startribune.com/stories/1526/5766164.html

It sucks that we live in only country considered a world power where we have developed a culture that aspires to be unintelligent.

I read that the other day. Darwin would be proud.

Did you notice this line?

""Steven had a career and his dreams all ahead of him,'' said Zorn's mother, Lisa McCoy-Horn. She said she wants lawmakers to outlaw pen guns, which are small-caliber, single-shot weapons that resemble pens."

Newsflash lady, pen guns are illegal.

 

[JLCivic 10+ year member]

thats exactly what i wrote about
stories where parents yelled at and even threatened teachers because little johnny wasnt doing well

...and let me tell you, school is definitely easier now than it was when I graduated high school(1987).

We did not have retakes on exams, open book tests/quizzes, etc. If a paper was due on Friday, it was DUE ON FREAKIN FRIDAY. There was no "well, get it to me next week." What good does it do to let kids do this?

 

[bimma85 5,000+ posts]

I read that the other day. Darwin would be proud.
Did you notice this line?

""Steven had a career and his dreams all ahead of him,'' said Zorn's mother, Lisa McCoy-Horn. She said she wants lawmakers to outlaw pen guns, which are small-caliber, single-shot weapons that resemble pens."

Newsflash lady, pen guns are illegal.

Really with all the terrorist activity and everything going on, you're telling me I can't have a gun that looks like a pen //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crazy.gif.c13912c32de98515d3142759a824dae7.gif

People in this country make me //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/sick.gif.b1847c8dabbfeeddbcf1a78052249e10.gif

 

[Acidburn 5,000+ posts]

...and let me tell you, school is definitely easier now than it was when I graduated high school(1987).
We did not have retakes on exams, open book tests/quizzes, etc. If a paper was due on Friday, it was DUE ON FREAKIN FRIDAY. There was no "well, get it to me next week." What good does it do to let kids do this?

oh, im sure

i've seen even a decrease in standards during the time i was in high school (im a freshman in college btw)

 

[JLCivic 10+ year member]

oh, im surei've seen even a decrease in standards during the time i was in high school (im a freshman in college btw)

From what I have seen in education, here is the general difference:

"back in the day" - fewer credits required(I only needed 18), BUT there was no artificial inflation of grades(allowing open book tests, retakes, late papers, etc)

Now - more credits needed, and the kids are exposed to more subjects

HOWEVER, getting things in on time, being allowed to have retakes, etc artificially elevate grades

Will they get retakes in college? I don't recall those. The ONLY open book tests I ever had were in tax accounting in undergrad, and they were still pretty much impossible.

The real world is not going to care if that kid had a fine arts credit. The real world WILL care if they know what they are doing and that they get it right the first time(how many employers give retakes on things that need to be done?)

I can't tell my boss, "well, I know you said you needed this information by tomorrow, but i really don't think I can get it to you until next week."

I have told more than a few kids, "College is going to eat you alive"

YES, many of the kids who just wander around like space cadets are what are classified as "college prep" kids these days.

My God, freshmen and sophomore can't grasp the concept of bringing a **** pen or pencil to class. The liberal education establishment just keeps on enabling them though.

 

[Acidburn 5,000+ posts]

From what I have seen in education, here is the general difference:
"back in the day" - fewer credits required(I only needed 18), BUT there was no artificial inflation of grades(allowing open book tests, retakes, late papers, etc)

Now - more credits needed, and the kids are exposed to more subjects

HOWEVER, getting things in on time, being allowed to have retakes, etc artificially elevate grades

Will they get retakes in college? I don't recall those. The ONLY open book tests I ever had were in tax accounting in undergrad, and they were still pretty much impossible.

The real world is not going to care if that kid had a fine arts credit. The real world WILL care if they know what they are doing and that they get it right the first time(how many employers give retakes on things that need to be done?)

I can't tell my boss, "well, I know you said you needed this information by tomorrow, but i really don't think I can get it to you until next week."

I have told more than a few kids, "College is going to eat you alive"

YES, many of the kids who just wander around like space cadets are what are classified as "college prep" kids these days.

My God, freshmen and sophomore can't grasp the concept of bringing a **** pen or pencil to class. The liberal education establishment just keeps on enabling them though.

i've seen it in college too, teachers accepting assignments late

 

[JLCivic 10+ year member]

i've seen it in college too, teachers accepting assignments late

i am sure it happens, but the reason better be legit(death in the family, etc). I see it more in graduate school(I went through a masters program and am now taking more courses....working toward a CAS), BUT the professors understand that everybody in the grad courses are working full time jobs, have families, etc so they do give some slack.

I have a final paper due tomorrow night(nearly finished), but I know if I walked into class tomorrow night and said I needed another day, he would most likely grant it. I don't think I have ever handed in a late paper in high school, undergrad, or grad school.

I guess I was just raised to do your work and produce it on time.

Kids in my school get away with late work because "it is basketball season, and after that is over, I can get caught up."

To that I give a resounding "Huh?" Since when is sports or any other extracurricular activity(drama is a huge one for this) authorization to just not get work in on time. I say if you can't keep up with your schoolwork while doing the extracurricular activities, it should not be the academics that suffer.

The attitude that teachers take sometimes just has me shaking my head.

 

[JimJ 5,000+ posts]

I wish my accounting class was open book //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/frown.gif.a3531fa0534503350665a1e957861287.gif

 

[Acidburn 5,000+ posts]

i am sure it happens, but the reason better be legit(death in the family, etc). I see it more in graduate school(I went through a masters program and am now taking more courses....working toward a CAS), BUT the professors understand that everybody in the grad courses are working full time jobs, have families, etc so they do give some slack.
I have a final paper due tomorrow night(nearly finished), but I know if I walked into class tomorrow night and said I needed another day, he would most likely grant it. I don't think I have ever handed in a late paper in high school, undergrad, or grad school.

I guess I was just raised to do your work and produce it on time.

no, this was for no excuse, just that the kid didnt get it done

if i have to turn in a paper late (dont think it's happened since 8th grade), i expect to have some sort of punishment whether it be points off, or a maximum grade

 

[bikejunkie223 10+ year member]

JL Civc- I like you man, you have a great head on your shoulders, and if more teachers were like you I think kids might be better off then they are. I agree parents are 90% of the problem- if they don't hold thier own kids accountable who will?! I also think there are a large # of teachers who have given up on kids. They put out info, but don't really care one way or another if kids learn- likely because it is heartbreaking to watch a kid fail again and again, but not so much when they don't even try- then it's maddening. Late work, shoddy work- these are all unacceptable in real life, but few kids think about the real world when they are in high school, all they are thinking about is fingerbanging mary jane rottencrotch through her purdy pink panties, and when they do nothing and fail a class- parents do nothing and want to know why the teacher fu*ked up, when it is a parent's apathy that caused the kid to be a fu*ck up.

 

[JLCivic 10+ year member]

no, this was for no excuse, just that the kid didnt get it doneif i have to turn in a paper late (dont think it's happened since 8th grade), i expect to have some sort of punishment whether it be points off, or a maximum grade

A reasonable person would expect points off, etc, but many times that doesn't happen.......or, the number of points off is so ridiculously low you are almost better off turning it in late(like if you could work on it for another week and only lose 2-3 points....you should certainly be able to make up those few points by having that extra week to perfect the paper).

 

[JLCivic 10+ year member]

JL Civc- I like you man, you have a great head on your shoulders, and if more teachers were like you I think kids might be better off then they are. I agree parents are 90% of the problem- if they don't hold thier own kids accountable who will?! I also think there are a large # of teachers who have given up on kids. They put out info, but don't really care one way or another if kids learn- likely because it is heartbreaking to watch a kid fail again and again, but not so much when they don't even try- then it's maddening. Late work, shoddy work- these are all unacceptable in real life, but few kids think about the real world when they are in high school, all they are thinking about is fingerbanging mary jane rottencrotch through her purdy pink panties, and when they do nothing and fail a class- parents do nothing and want to know why the teacher fu*ked up, when it is a parent's apathy that caused the kid to be a fu*ck up.

Parents are a big part of the problem in most cases, that's for sure. As for kids not thinking about the real world while in high school, that is certainly true for many. However, I don't think I was focusing on the real world much in high school either, but I did my work, did what I was told to do, turned in things on time, etc because THAT'S WHAT YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO DO. It was that simple for me.

I am all for giving a kid a break when they need one. Some kids come from horrendous home lives that I could never imagine having to deal with at their age. Hell, a kid walking home to an abusive parent or a drunk dad probably doesn't have "oh that paper is due tomorrow" ringing in their head.

However, those situations are the exceptions, not the rule.