Eclipse CD7000 or Pioneer DEH-P880PRS

[dwynne 10+ year member]

Some clarification questions:

The 880 says it has a built in Aux in, but it appears from the owner's manual that this is behind the face plate (where the EQ mic connects), correct? I would not want to drive around with the face plate open listening to my XM tuner //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/confused.gif.e820e0216602db4765798ac39d28caa9.gif - so I guess I will need the CD-RB20/CD-RB10 adapter? Non-Pio clones of these are dirt cheap but the real Pio ones run $30-50 each.

On the 880 to control an ipod you need the CD-IB100II - again you can find cheap clone cables (don't charge the ipod) or get a real Pio part.

In both cases, the cheap cable-only parts can't be daisy-chained. The real Pio parts DO have a daisy-chain connector - but the docs all say this is for the "multi-CD player".

Question: If you have both the CD-RB20 and the CB-IB100II can you daisy-chain them and have aux in and ipod control both?

On the CD7000 it appears to have rear aux-in (RCA jacks) so no problem there. If not running a CD changer you can add a 2nd set of RCA inputs to the back of the CD7000 with the AUX-105 input adapter.

The ipod adapter is iPC-106 and looks like about the same price as the real Pio ipod adapter. It also looks to hook up in place of the CD changer and also appears to have a daisy chain port.

Question: With the CD7000 I can run aux in and the ipod control no problem, and MAYBE even daisy-chain a 2nd aux in as well?

Thanks,

Dennis

 

[Abell255 10+ year member]

Wow, you love your AUX's man! haha, but i'm not quite sure if you can free up another port somehow, but one thing you can do is split it and run 2 cords. If you split the sound coming out from your source, then that may degrade the SQ, but the other way around like you need shouldn't.

Also, with the ipod adapter, i believe it's got the "pass through" ipbus, meaning yes you can hook another bus accessory up via the input on the cb-ib100ll if used.

 

[6spdcoupe 5,000+ posts]

Some clarification questions:
The 880 says it has a built in Aux in, but it appears from the owner's manual that this is behind the face plate (where the EQ mic connects), correct? I would not want to drive around with the face plate open listening to my XM tuner //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/confused.gif.e820e0216602db4765798ac39d28caa9.gif - so I guess I will need the CD-RB20/CD-RB10 adapter? Non-Pio clones of these are dirt cheap but the real Pio ones run $30-50 each.

On the 880 to control an ipod you need the CD-IB100II - again you can find cheap clone cables (don't charge the ipod) or get a real Pio part.

In both cases, the cheap cable-only parts can't be daisy-chained. The real Pio parts DO have a daisy-chain connector - but the docs all say this is for the "multi-CD player".

Question: If you have both the CD-RB20 and the CB-IB100II can you daisy-chain them and have aux in and ipod control both?

On the CD7000 it appears to have rear aux-in (RCA jacks) so no problem there. If not running a CD changer you can add a 2nd set of RCA inputs to the back of the CD7000 with the AUX-105 input adapter.

The ipod adapter is iPC-106 and looks like about the same price as the real Pio ipod adapter. It also looks to hook up in place of the CD changer and also appears to have a daisy chain port.

Question: With the CD7000 I can run aux in and the ipod control no problem, and MAYBE even daisy-chain a 2nd aux in as well?

Thanks,

Dennis

IIRC you can daisy chain on both units. The Eclipse definately, add as much as you want .. Sirius,iPod,Changer,etc,etc.. You still keep the pair of AUX RCA inputs as well.

 

[dwynne 10+ year member]

Thanks for the replies, I e-mailed Pio to ask them about this as well.

Another question:

On either deck if I don't go active how much, if anything, do I lose?

I would use the x-over in the deck to run the front components passive via a 2 channel amp and use it to run the sub mono amp.

You could still auto analyze the system and EQ it, right? As far as adjusting the EQ for a "flat" environment in the car.

You could "sort of" do the RTA but not really since you don't have separate control of the mids and tweets - unless they were about the same distance from diver to listening position.

With the Cd7000 you get all the bands of the EQ and I think you do with the Pio as well - in "2 channel plus sub" mode.

From the Pio owner's manual and install guide it looks like you could even run the internal amp to drive the tweets until you installed a tweet amp and some later point. You may can do the same thing with the Eclipse as well but that is not really covered in the owner's manual.

Thanks again,

Dennis

 

[nismos14 5,000+ posts]

With the cd7100 you get 7 bands of peq in 4 sp mode and 11 bands in active mode

 

[Pyro_By_Nature 5,000+ posts]

Single knob radios are overdone and annoying these days.

 

[dwynne 10+ year member]

I decided to go with the CD7000.

I thought I might wait until the new Alpine CDA-9887 comes out and check it out. The pros would be "inexpensive" and fast ipod interface, looks like a nice display, time alignment, etc. The cons would be high cost for a new to the market unit, not much is known about it, optional "imprint tuning kit" availability and cost unknown at this time. There is also a finite number of cheap 7000s in the warehouses and once they are gone that would no longer be an option.

As to the 880 vs 7000:

1) The 880 only has a behind the faceplate aux in included, you have to buy the aux in box to get a rear panel aux in. These are $40-55. The ipod interface is spendy as well and has to daisy-chain off the aux in box. This means you spend $100 or more on 2 interfaces and have to mount/hide 2 boxes as well. Reading the reviews it seems they are not isolated - if you have your aux in source on while playing the ipod you hear both at the same time - you have to switch off the one not in use. The 7000 has a rear RCA aux in available so no expense - the ipod control box is about the same or maybe a little less than the 880's box. If you don't want to control the ipod through the 7000 then you can add a 2nd aux in for $25 or less. I think the 880 may have better control and ipod display, though.

2) The 7000 will interface with the steering wheel controls on the car this is going in without any adapters - just hook it up and go. The 880 needs either the SWI-X (IR = yuck) or the SWI-PS interface - another $50-75.

3) The CD7000 does not include the TA/EQ microphone, but it is only $20.

4) The 7000 is a better "Deal" (OK, I am a cheapskate and love getting deals) when compared to full price/retail value. Close to $300 for a new 880 now is just a little off of full price and down the road selling a used 880 would net you less money. Getting a new 7000 now for under $300 is a lot off of the normal price - even discount/non auth/fleabay prices. I would think - based on prices I see on the for sale forums - that a used 7000 would return a LOT more of its purchase price down the road.

5) Concerns about the 880 RCA output noise and lack of stated output voltage. By now the problem with the ground is probably fixed and not an issue, but something else to worry about - and I have seen posts complaining that the line-outs are not close to the rated output.

6) I was able to get the 7000 from an authorized dealer with a store receipt for a good bit under $300 - that was the final decision maker. I get the full warranty, online access to the tuning goodies, etc for less than the 880 would have cost me WITHOUT a factory warranty. Add in the cost of the SWI, aux in, and ipod controls to the 880 price and it was a lot more. In all the old and even some new discussions of the two folks kept saying "get the 880, it is just as good for half the price". Not for me, the 7000 was less money authorized for the HU and will be even less money with the aux and ipod and wheel controls. So if the primary reason to get the 880 was price, that is no longer the case.

I did find a dealer with the 880 and played with it, like the Pio in the convertible the menu and "joy knob" would take some getting used to and many of the functions are really buried deep. It looks really nice and I would expect it would sound super as well.

The 7000 is not without "flaws" but for less money for the HU and the add-ons it just seemed to make more "cents" to me //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/greedy.gif.5a53e6246569d7ab79867170f3b06629.gif .

Dennis

 

[6spdcoupe 5,000+ posts]

As for the steering controls.. do you have a Toyota/Lexus? If not you may have some issues. The 'learnable controls' are still lacking in support. Backup plan .. SWI-ECL

 

[dwynne 10+ year member]

Yes, the Eclipse interface is known to work with my car (made by Toyota) so I should be good to go w/o an interface.

If you read the what is supported list at the Eclipse web page they don't even claim to work with other cars - which seems like something they should work on.

I have a non-PAC plug in interface on the Pio in the S2000 - it ties into the dash mounted radio controls and works even better (more features) than it did with the OEM radio and no IR problems or delays. It is custom made for S owners by an S owner and electronics guy - though I think you can make the SWI-PS plug in work in the S now that they have it out.

I am hoping the wired in Eclipse works as well in this car.

Dennis

 

[whitemax 10+ year member]

Good choice //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif.