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<blockquote data-quote="dwynne" data-source="post: 3165689" data-attributes="member: 578175"><p>I decided to go with the CD7000.</p><p></p><p>I thought I might wait until the new Alpine CDA-9887 comes out and check it out. The pros would be "inexpensive" and fast ipod interface, looks like a nice display, time alignment, etc. The cons would be high cost for a new to the market unit, not much is known about it, optional "imprint tuning kit" availability and cost unknown at this time. There is also a finite number of cheap 7000s in the warehouses and once they are gone that would no longer be an option.</p><p></p><p>As to the 880 vs 7000:</p><p></p><p>1) The 880 only has a behind the faceplate aux in included, you have to buy the aux in box to get a rear panel aux in. These are $40-55. The ipod interface is spendy as well and has to daisy-chain off the aux in box. This means you spend $100 or more on 2 interfaces and have to mount/hide 2 boxes as well. Reading the reviews it seems they are not isolated - if you have your aux in source on while playing the ipod you hear both at the same time - you have to switch off the one not in use. The 7000 has a rear RCA aux in available so no expense - the ipod control box is about the same or maybe a little less than the 880's box. If you don't want to control the ipod through the 7000 then you can add a 2nd aux in for $25 or less. I think the 880 may have better control and ipod display, though.</p><p></p><p>2) The 7000 will interface with the steering wheel controls on the car this is going in without any adapters - just hook it up and go. The 880 needs either the SWI-X (IR = yuck) or the SWI-PS interface - another $50-75.</p><p></p><p>3) The CD7000 does not include the TA/EQ microphone, but it is only $20.</p><p></p><p>4) The 7000 is a better "Deal" (OK, I am a cheapskate and love getting deals) when compared to full price/retail value. Close to $300 for a new 880 now is just a little off of full price and down the road selling a used 880 would net you less money. Getting a new 7000 now for under $300 is a lot off of the normal price - even discount/non auth/fleabay prices. I would think - based on prices I see on the for sale forums - that a used 7000 would return a LOT more of its purchase price down the road.</p><p></p><p>5) Concerns about the 880 RCA output noise and lack of stated output voltage. By now the problem with the ground is probably fixed and not an issue, but something else to worry about - and I have seen posts complaining that the line-outs are not close to the rated output.</p><p></p><p>6) I was able to get the 7000 from an authorized dealer with a store receipt for a good bit under $300 - that was the final decision maker. I get the full warranty, online access to the tuning goodies, etc for less than the 880 would have cost me WITHOUT a factory warranty. Add in the cost of the SWI, aux in, and ipod controls to the 880 price and it was a lot more. In all the old and even some new discussions of the two folks kept saying "get the 880, it is just as good for half the price". Not for me, the 7000 was less money authorized for the HU and will be even less money with the aux and ipod and wheel controls. So if the primary reason to get the 880 was price, that is no longer the case.</p><p></p><p>I did find a dealer with the 880 and played with it, like the Pio in the convertible the menu and "joy knob" would take some getting used to and many of the functions are really buried deep. It looks really nice and I would expect it would sound super as well.</p><p></p><p>The 7000 is not without "flaws" but for less money for the HU and the add-ons it just seemed to make more "cents" to me //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/greedy.gif.5a53e6246569d7ab79867170f3b06629.gif .</p><p></p><p>Dennis</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="dwynne, post: 3165689, member: 578175"] I decided to go with the CD7000. I thought I might wait until the new Alpine CDA-9887 comes out and check it out. The pros would be "inexpensive" and fast ipod interface, looks like a nice display, time alignment, etc. The cons would be high cost for a new to the market unit, not much is known about it, optional "imprint tuning kit" availability and cost unknown at this time. There is also a finite number of cheap 7000s in the warehouses and once they are gone that would no longer be an option. As to the 880 vs 7000: 1) The 880 only has a behind the faceplate aux in included, you have to buy the aux in box to get a rear panel aux in. These are $40-55. The ipod interface is spendy as well and has to daisy-chain off the aux in box. This means you spend $100 or more on 2 interfaces and have to mount/hide 2 boxes as well. Reading the reviews it seems they are not isolated - if you have your aux in source on while playing the ipod you hear both at the same time - you have to switch off the one not in use. The 7000 has a rear RCA aux in available so no expense - the ipod control box is about the same or maybe a little less than the 880's box. If you don't want to control the ipod through the 7000 then you can add a 2nd aux in for $25 or less. I think the 880 may have better control and ipod display, though. 2) The 7000 will interface with the steering wheel controls on the car this is going in without any adapters - just hook it up and go. The 880 needs either the SWI-X (IR = yuck) or the SWI-PS interface - another $50-75. 3) The CD7000 does not include the TA/EQ microphone, but it is only $20. 4) The 7000 is a better "Deal" (OK, I am a cheapskate and love getting deals) when compared to full price/retail value. Close to $300 for a new 880 now is just a little off of full price and down the road selling a used 880 would net you less money. Getting a new 7000 now for under $300 is a lot off of the normal price - even discount/non auth/fleabay prices. I would think - based on prices I see on the for sale forums - that a used 7000 would return a LOT more of its purchase price down the road. 5) Concerns about the 880 RCA output noise and lack of stated output voltage. By now the problem with the ground is probably fixed and not an issue, but something else to worry about - and I have seen posts complaining that the line-outs are not close to the rated output. 6) I was able to get the 7000 from an authorized dealer with a store receipt for a good bit under $300 - that was the final decision maker. I get the full warranty, online access to the tuning goodies, etc for less than the 880 would have cost me WITHOUT a factory warranty. Add in the cost of the SWI, aux in, and ipod controls to the 880 price and it was a lot more. In all the old and even some new discussions of the two folks kept saying "get the 880, it is just as good for half the price". Not for me, the 7000 was less money authorized for the HU and will be even less money with the aux and ipod and wheel controls. So if the primary reason to get the 880 was price, that is no longer the case. I did find a dealer with the 880 and played with it, like the Pio in the convertible the menu and "joy knob" would take some getting used to and many of the functions are really buried deep. It looks really nice and I would expect it would sound super as well. The 7000 is not without "flaws" but for less money for the HU and the add-ons it just seemed to make more "cents" to me [IMG]//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/greedy.gif.5a53e6246569d7ab79867170f3b06629.gif[/IMG] . Dennis [/QUOTE]
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