Eclipse CD7000 or Pioneer DEH-P880PRS

[adam71 5,000+ posts]

I had a Pioneer 8600 (x2) before my Eclipse CD8455. Nice unit, no issues with it, but not the easiest HU to use. I did not like having only one wire to turn on my amps, as well as the power antenna. I hardly listen to the radio, so that was wear and tear that was not necessary. I got around this by using a switch, kind of a pain to have to do that though. I also did not enjoy having to go through menus to pause a song, or adjust the sub level. These are things that should be able to be done quickly and easily. I myself like having buttons....sure the face looks cleaner with less, but I prefer ease of use. I do not know if these things really make a difference to you, or if those things are still the same on the 880 PRS.

I'm not sure about the sub level but you don't have to go through ANY menus to pause a song on the 8600/860. You use the PGM button on the remote. The PGM button was programmable where it would do 1 of 3 different functions and PAUSE was one of them. Not sure what else it would do. Top corner of the remote is where this button sat and it would pause a CD instantly.

 

[adam71 5,000+ posts]

Holy shit adam, i'm pretty sure you over reacted a bit here. Like i stated in a few other posts, i'm just chiming in with my .02. I rarely post on these forums...only when something directly relates to my audio needs. I for one think the newer eclipses are sexier then the elders, with a bit less awkward button lay out etc. I think the eclipse is very simple looking...yes a bit of bling and what not, but i like the presets easily accessible, and the left side layout is simple as well. Anyhow, that's not much of an argument so i don't know where you are going...everyone has their opinions man. Also, i never said it should hinder his decision one way or another, but if you were out buying like something as important as this, would you not want to know a few ins and outs? As far as performance, i think both units will be more then enough to allow one to potentially have one sick SQ system if they know what they are doing.
I don't believe the eclipse's internal amp can be shut off, which IMO is stupid... But, i do love the PEQ, and the fact of going 3 way and adjusting the highs/mids/lows... Anyhow, everything else as far as features can be searched.

I went with the CD7000 because i've personally never had an eclipse honestly, and i've always heard great things about them. I've had pio's for years, and they have been nothing short of flawless. Who's to say i won't be selling my 7000 for an....dare i say 880?//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

Woah!!! Woah!!! I already stated that I wasn't ragging on you. I'm sorry if I came off that way. Please do NOT take it that way. I also said to each his own on choice of deck. I was also just giving my .02 on appearance of headunits.

As far as the display part goes: I was more or less just ranting in general and didn't mean it necessarily directly at you. Again, sorry for that coming off as personal.

I guess I need to learn how type where I come off the way I meant. And not come off as an *******.

 

[whitemax 10+ year member]

I'm not sure about the sub level but you don't have to go through ANY menus to pause a song on the 8600/860. You use the PGM button on the remote. The PGM button was programmable where it would do 1 of 3 different functions and PAUSE was one of them. Not sure what else it would do. Top corner of the remote is where this button sat and it would pause a CD instantly.

While the remote is useful, I would rather have those things on the actual unit's face. One push, and that's it....guess I like things really simple.

 

[dwynne 10+ year member]

As far as readability is concerned: Why does everyone pull that card out when comparing decks. I mean I can see the argument if it affected the way the unit performed or stopped you from enjoying the unit but I guess I fail to see where that would make any deck better than the next. If a deck's display gets washed out by sunlight then put your hand over it to shade it for a second. By no means should that attribute EVER influence one's decision on a head unit. Performance, ergonomics and features are FAR MORE important.

Part of ergonomics is being able read the freakin' screen //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif . If listening to MP3s or controlling an ipod what is on the screen is important - and being able to see the screen in all conditions is just as important. I never tried the P80MP Pio out in the bright sun (how could I?) until I had it installed in the convertible. And with polarized shades on and the top down it just about unreadable. I got it due to the high power (no room an amp in the car) and nice (in the store) display //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crap.gif.7f4dd41e3e9b23fbd170a1ee6f65cecc.gif .

Of course you also just said: All in all though I think the 880 gained too much popularity. That was the 2nd main reason I went the P9 combo. I didn't want a deck that so many others had. Which may be the lamest reason I have every heard for pulling a HU out of a car. Just a few months back you were raving about how great it was and telling folks not to buy the CD7000 - then when "too many" folks got the same HU you have you pull it from the car?//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/confused.gif.e820e0216602db4765798ac39d28caa9.gif

I agree about the flashy bling bling stuff not being important long term. I put my Pio in the convertible on the Vu meters while listening to XM but I don't spend much time watching it but in the sun I can't see it much anyway. But you have to be able to see the screen to do most anything with most any HU.

I wish I could get a double din HU with auto EQ and alignment "cheap" - or even a 7" pop-out HU with the same things for not too much. Large and easy to read with all the goodies would sure be nice - but the few that are available are expensive and/or require and external box.

Dennis

 

[Abell255 10+ year member]

Woah!!! Woah!!! I already stated that I wasn't ragging on you. I'm sorry if I came off that way. Please do NOT take it that way. I also said to each his own on choice of deck. I was also just giving my .02 on appearance of headunits.
As far as the display part goes: I was more or less just ranting in general and didn't mean it necessarily directly at you. Again, sorry for that coming off as personal.

I guess I need to learn how type where I come off the way I meant. And not come off as an *******.

You did come off a bit irritated, but i'm sure if you hear the "appearance importance" issue so many times, it may have wound you up a bit. I for one completely agree with you in that the features outweigh the looks of the unit. The only reason i brought up a few things about it is that everything else is already on the table. Both units have been pretty well stripped down of everything they consist of, whether in this thread or others accessible by searching, so i figured i throw a few others things out their that i found searching early this morning. Like we all are discussing now, things such as "pause" buttons and "mute" buttons...definately doesn't necessarily go along the lines of features does it?//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif Just messing man, all is well.....and actually i do fu***** hate when a pause button isn't accessible. Remotes are overrated, especially when i do most of my driving in town and i've got a 5sp. My pio 7800's pause button was located fairly deep in the menu, which by the time ANYONE wanted to pause a **** cd, you could have turned off the unit, cleaned the cd for the hell of it, and put it back in before you would have arrived at the option. (as you can see, this irritated me )

 

[adam71 5,000+ posts]

Part of ergonomics is being able read the freakin' screen //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif . If listening to MP3s or controlling an ipod what is on the screen is important - and being able to see the screen in all conditions is just as important. I never tried the P80MP Pio out in the bright sun (how could I?) until I had it installed in the convertible. And with polarized shades on and the top down it just about unreadable. I got it due to the high power (no room an amp in the car) and nice (in the store) display //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crap.gif.7f4dd41e3e9b23fbd170a1ee6f65cecc.gif .
I agree about the flashy bling bling stuff not being important long term. I put my Pio in the convertible on the Vu meters while listening to XM but I don't spend much time watching it but in the sun I can't see it much anyway. But you have to be able to see the screen to do most anything with most any HU.

I wish I could get a double din HU with auto EQ and alignment "cheap" - or even a 7" pop-out HU with the same things for not too much. Large and easy to read with all the goodies would sure be nice - but the few that are available are expensive and/or require and external box.

Dennis

Okay. A display I guess is part of the ergonomics but only sort of. Once you learn a deck's features and how to get around the readablility is less important.

Of course you also just said: All in all though I think the 880 gained too much popularity. That was the 2nd main reason I went the P9 combo. I didn't want a deck that so many others had. Which may be the lamest reason I have every heard for pulling a HU out of a car. Just a few months back you were raving about how great it was and telling folks not to buy the CD7000 - then when "too many" folks got the same HU you have you pull it from the car?//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/confused.gif.e820e0216602db4765798ac39d28caa9.gif

I DO think it gained too much popularity and too many people have one. Which is why I will NOT own one. I don't know what you mean by pull it from the car though. I own an 860, a 920 and a P9 combo. I don't have a 880. However I still stand behind the fact that the 880 is a much better value than the 7000 and would still recommend it over the 7000 7days a week. Just because I wouldn't own one doesn't mean I can't recommend it.

 

[Arawak420 10+ year member]

i heard someone mention something about velcroing the remote to the center of the steering wheel. although it does sound liek a great idea it would be harsh for the airbag to go off and you have an imprint of a remote control on your forhead...

so i never got any of my questions answered cause of all the bickering.

can you upload images to the 880?

constructive criticism and ones ideas, likes, and dislikes turns into a flaming shoot. to each his own. we are individuals and have different taste, we even smell different and the same things taste different. take it for whats it worth and move on. dont dwell on someones thought because they arent thoughts like your own...

individual idealism

 

[Abell255 10+ year member]

I want to say that you cannot upload images, but i could be wrong. The 7000's limit is something like 70 images i believe.

 

[adam71 5,000+ posts]

i heard someone mention something about velcroing the remote to the center of the steering wheel. although it does sound liek a great idea it would be harsh for the airbag to go off and you have an imprint of a remote control on your forhead...

There is always the wired controller that you can permanently mount somewhere in the vehicle.

so i never got any of my questions answered cause of all the bickering.
can you upload images to the 880?

I would have to say No. I checked the Pioneer site and there is NO mention of the "OEL Screensaver Studio" on the 880 description page,

constructive criticism and ones ideas, likes, and dislikes turns into a flaming shoot. to each his own. we are individuals and have different taste, we even smell different and the same things taste different. take it for whats it worth and move on. dont dwell on someones thought because they arent thoughts like your own...

All is well. I already took blame for typing like I was mad when I really wasn't.

 

[whitemax 10+ year member]

Have you tried going to Pioneer's website to see if you can download the manual. That should let you know if you can download screen savers.

 

[Arawak420 10+ year member]

i treid no mention of user images... bummer.

 

[adam71 5,000+ posts]

i treid no mention of user images... bummer.

That would be cool if it did. But they would be in black and white anyway.

 

[dwynne 10+ year member]

Like we all are discussing now, things such as "pause" buttons and "mute" buttons...definitely doesn't necessarily go along the lines of features does it?//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif Just messing man, all is well.....and actually i do fu***** hate when a pause button isn't accessible. Remotes are overrated, especially when i do most of my driving in town and i've got a 5sp.

How about when they have a mute button but that does not also pause the playback? I would think it would be OBVIOUS that if you needed to mute while playing a disc that the deck should pause it for you as well. On some decks you can switch another source (say tuner) and mute quicker and easier than you can pause. Then switch back to the disc and unmute when done - not the direct/easy way to do it.

I am not impressed by remotes either - in all the HUs I have ever owned I never have used one other than to see it works. It ends up gathering dust in the glove box or console.

Dennis

 

[dwynne 10+ year member]

so i never got any of my questions answered cause of all the bickering.
can you upload images to the 880?

constructive criticism and ones ideas, likes, and dislikes turns into a flaming shoot. to each his own. we are individuals and have different taste, we even smell different and the same things taste different. take it for whats it worth and move on. dont dwell on someones thought because they arent thoughts like your own...

I don't mind the mild jabs and I sure don't mind folks pointing out the small flaws. For example, the image upload thing is an "I don't care" to me but matters to you. Someone someone else may point out may be a "wow, that sounds like a pain" or "Gee, I didn't know it could do that". Something someone living with the item in question really likes or has really gotten tired of.

Dennis

 

[adam71 5,000+ posts]

I am not impressed by remotes either - in all the HUs I have ever owned I never have used one other than to see it works. It ends up gathering dust in the glove box or console.

Dennis

I am. In fact, with the P9 the remote runs MOST of the advanced features such as the processor.

Not only that I use my remote so that I don't put scratches, finger prints and don't wear the buttons out. I know that sounds anal but a deck has a lot higher reselling price the better it looks.