E85 Corvette Z06 pace car.

[bonesninja 5,000+ posts]

almost insulting...a E85 Z06

http://jalopnik.com/338056/emerson-fittipaldi-to-drive-corvette-z06-e85-concept-pace-car-at-2008-indy-500

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[hoss 5,000+ posts]

i dont get it, why is an alternative fuel sports car insulting?

 

[bonesninja 5,000+ posts]

because in order for E85 to make it as an alternative fuel...we would have to dedicated over 80% of our tillable farmland to growing corn. Besides, contrary to what the governmetn says, independant tests have concluded that E85 cannot produce as much horsepower as gasoline, thus it's almost in insult to use it in such a highly tuned american muscle car. you wanna use it in a toyata prius...feel free..but corvettes aren't owned by tree huggers

 

[bonesninja 5,000+ posts]

still a badass car tho....that would dust my car no matter what you put in the gas tank

 

[Skip01 5,000+ posts]

I like it....whats the ratio from gasoline to e85 for hp?

1hp on gas = what on e85 normally?

 

[Railrocker 10+ year member]

Using corn to produce ethanol is fuggin retarded, but that is what we are planning to do.

Corn is very inefficent in terms of how much energy it takes to make ethanol compared to how much energy you get out of it. Switchgrass would be much more efficent and we dont use it for anything else, like food.

 

[bonesninja 5,000+ posts]

I like it....whats the ratio from gasoline to e85 for hp?
1hp on gas = what on e85 normally?

depends on which review you read and who is the sponser behind the source

 

[tommyk90 5,000+ posts]

I remember reading an article in one of the hot rod magazines (we've got subscriptions to Hot Rod, Car Craft, and Popular hot rodding) where they actually tested E85 in a high performance engine and got asstons of power out of it.

I'm gonna look for the article. Hopefully I can find it online.

 

[ngsm13 5,000+ posts]

Isn't it more money to produce as well, meaning a higher price per gallon than gasoline.

nG

 

[bonesninja 5,000+ posts]

Using corn to produce ethanol is fuggin retarded, but that is what we are planning to do.
Corn is very inefficent in terms of how much energy it takes to make ethanol compared to how much energy you get out of it. Switchgrass would be much more efficent and we dont use it for anything else, like food.

truth......only problem is we would still have to dedicate millions of acres of farmland to produce it to replace the petro products currently in use. And on top of that, the equipment used to transport and harvest the crop still runs on petro products. Ethanol is corrosive to traditional fuel tanks and delivery lines so they would have to be completely retrofitted to expensive stainless steel.

plus due to degradation, you can't put ethanol in a pipeline...so it'll be transported in trucks

 

[bonesninja 5,000+ posts]

Isn't it more money to produce as well, meaning a higher price per gallon than gasoline.
nG

so far that is a yes

 

[HypnoticCure 10+ year member]

because in order for E85 to make it as an alternative fuel...we would have to dedicated over 80% of our tillable farmland to growing corn. Besides, contrary to what the governmetn says, independant tests have concluded that E85 cannot produce as much horsepower as gasoline, thus it's almost in insult to use it in such a highly tuned american muscle car. you wanna use it in a toyata prius...feel free..but corvettes aren't owned by tree huggers

Have any proof that it doesnt create more hp then gas? Everything i looked at says it does and makes quite a diff... Alowing you to use more timing and boost in boosted applications...

Also corn isnt the only option for ethanol i believe they are looking more for celulosic refining methods as the future... In fact i believe corn witch is already 80+ % of our countrys crop is the least effective way to produce ethanol

 

[hoss 5,000+ posts]

im sure you read the article and saw that it is a pace car for the indy series, which runs on a slightly more potent version of ethanol (E100), right? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

and that the car still makes 436hp. it isnt a production car, more of a "look what we can do" car. ill agree its not exactly practicle, but neither are most of the things americans do.

 

[bonesninja 5,000+ posts]

I remember reading an article in one of the hot rod magazines (we've got subscriptions to Hot Rod, Car Craft, and Popular hot rodding) where they actually tested E85 in a high performance engine and got asstons of power out of it.
I'm gonna look for the article. Hopefully I can find it online.

maybe true to biodiesel....i've seen plenty to support that, but we've been doing some testing in our lab at my job and so far, petro products by far outperform

not me personally, but our chemists

 

[bonesninja 5,000+ posts]

Have any proof that it doesnt create more hp then gas? Everything i looked at says it does and makes quite a diff... Alowing you to use more timing and boost in boosted applications...
Also corn isnt the only option for ethanol i believe they are looking more for celulosic refining methods as the future... In fact i believe corn witch is already 80+ % of our countrys crop is the least effective way to produce ethanol

not that i could show you without being fired and sued for breech

 

[tommyk90 5,000+ posts]

maybe true to biodiesel....i've seen plenty to support that, but we've been doing some testing in our lab at my job and so far, petro products by far outperform

not me personally, but our chemists

Definitely not biodiesel, it was E85.

 

[hoss 5,000+ posts]

Isn't it more money to produce as well, meaning a higher price per gallon than gasoline.
nG

yeah, but it has one advantage that dinosaur doesnt have...

 

[bonesninja 5,000+ posts]

Definitely not biodiesel, it was E85.

i've seen lots of different views, but think of the car audio magazines....what kind of reviews do they give products made by their major sponsers?

 

[Railrocker 10+ year member]

truth......only problem is we would still have to dedicate millions of acres of farmland to produce it to replace the petro products currently in use. And on top of that, the equipment used to transport and harvest the crop still runs on petro products. Ethanol is corrosive to traditional fuel tanks and delivery lines so they would have to be completely retrofitted to expensive stainless steel.
plus due to degradation, you can't put ethanol in a pipeline...so it'll be transported in trucks

Well get ready for it, we are building ethanol plants like crazy around here and I will personally be delivering the corn. I dont agree with it at all.

The reason I say swithgrass is because it will grow on land that isnt tillable or cant be used to grow corn or other crops. It takes less fertilization because its a weed it thrives. Plus it grows more bushels per acre.

This whole ethanol thing is great business for me because the corn will arrive at the plant by train and the ethanol will leave by train but as a consumer it pisses me off.

Im not against ethanol completly because at least we are looking at alternative fuels, but with the technology we have and knowledget that there is a better way to produce it then corn, we are still jumping head first in the wrong way.

 

[JCANTONE 10+ year member]

it says it makes 436hp...and the other 1 makes 505...but it has a ls3 not ls7