Dynamat vs Fatmatt on a budget

[rtillaree 10+ year member]

I didn't read any of the thread but the title. i bough 100sqft of fatmatt and i uninstalled 100 sqft of fatmat it was an absolute waste of money. it doesn't stick worth a **** and it smells like shit don't waste your money on it

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i installed 122ish sq ft and it sticks to the floor pan alright, only cause it's flat, but it is coming up a bit...but it wont stick to the deck or quarter walls worth crap...as far as smells, it smells like deadener to me haha..

 

[sk8erboyla2004 10+ year member]

haha thanks i recalled my order and hoping rick at raamatt can supply with me with few sheets i need

 

[Rudy 10+ year member]

That's two people with positive experiences and two with negative - in this thread alone. 50% failure rate seems significant to me.

Are you gonna give them their money back after wasting it on crap thats two - five times more expensive and does the same thing....

If it did the same thing, I would be sincerely sorry. Thing is, there is no evidence to support that assertion.

i have yet to see a repair that needed to be done because of using any sound deadener.

Asphalt mat fails in one of two ways. It either falls off (ideal), or the SBR rubber used to increase the asphalt's heat tolerance degrades to the point that the asphalt melts out at a fairly low temperature. Liquefied asphalt saturates carpet, upholstery or any other porous material on to which it flows. Ruined carpet or upholstery warrants repair in most people's minds.

I really find it ahrd to believe that you have studied all these deadeners.

I'm not sure why this is the case.

I do believe that you talk out of your *** though....

I won't try to explain why you would come up with an image like that because I have no idea.

I am not one to skimp out on parts for anything i usually buy high end items all the times cause i like to do things right the first time. Fact is that fatmat has done just as good of a job for me as any of the others. Not a single one has stood out as wow thats just awesome. I have used Fatmat, Brownbread

You've gone off the deep end here. I hope you never have a problem with the FatMat you have installed. Something puzzles me though. You insist that your primary selection criterion is cost. Why then would you pay more for FatMat when you can find an identical product for less at most Home Depot or Lowe's. Go to a roofing supplier and you can by the same thing for significantly less. How does that make sense?

 

[sk8erboyla2004 10+ year member]

got em

 

[CaliforniabOY5 10+ year member]

i would love to meet a single person who would be able to tell the diff in sound.... so your saying what? that some of them can have a negative effect on sound quality ?

No, i dont see how it can have a negetive effect but the type and quality of deadner does have an effect on the sound....... Not a negetive effect, i see this being impossible but the acoustics will not be as good as a high caliber deadner with greater thickness. You don't just pay for thickness to stop rattles. . i hope you realize this.

 

[WantedIsHere]

fatmat is not peal and stick.... not even close... i used to roof and do roofing repair... fatmat is not even close to peal and stick... and for people who swear fatmat isnt butyl based... your full of shit.... it is 100% butyl based.... I have yet to have a vehicle melt any fatmat.... yet to have any come through the carpet or even melt out to where its ugly when i pull carpet back up to re do a system.... and I'm not talking after a month.... im talking after 5 years on my buddies tahoe.... the entire interior is covered front to back in fatmat... I did it when i first bought it back in early 02... I sold it to him 2 years ago.... we just took the carpet out two weeks ago to change from a tan interior to black.... we took every piece of plastic out and carpet.... not a single bad thing..... it held up great.... and were talking sacramento ca summers we get up into the 110+ range.... I'm not just talking out of my *** here for no reason at all.... I just hate people talking so much bullshit and telling lies about a product....

 

[WantedIsHere]

No, i dont see how it can have a negetive effect but the type and quality of deadner does have an effect on the sound....... Not a negetive effect, i see this being impossible but the acoustics will not be as good as a high caliber deadner with greater thickness. You don't just pay for thickness to stop rattles. . i hope you realize this.

i dont know what kind of crack your smoking but it must be good....

 

[phantom240 5,000+ posts]

fatmat is not peal and stick.... not even close... i used to roof and do roofing repair... fatmat is not even close to peal and stick... and for people who swear fatmat isnt butyl based... your full of shit.... it is 100% butyl based.... I have yet to have a vehicle melt any fatmat.... yet to have any come through the carpet or even melt out to where its ugly when i pull carpet back up to re do a system.... and I'm not talking after a month.... im talking after 5 years on my buddies tahoe.... the entire interior is covered front to back in fatmat... I did it when i first bought it back in early 02... I sold it to him 2 years ago.... we just took the carpet out two weeks ago to change from a tan interior to black.... we took every piece of plastic out and carpet.... not a single bad thing..... it held up great.... and were talking sacramento ca summers we get up into the 110+ range.... I'm not just talking out of my *** here for no reason at all.... I just hate people talking so much bullshit and telling lies about a product....

Oh shut the fuck up already. It is a PROVEN FACT that asphalt based deadeners are inferior in all aspects. Peel and Seal is nearly identical to Fatmat, BrownBread, etc. I tried not to make it a big deal before, but you're worse than californiaboy or cotjones when it comes to being hard-headed. You talk all this shit, yet you have nothing but your worthless words to prove it. Until you put up some real numbers, pics, tests, etc., your posts mean as much to me and most others in this thread as that of a mentally unstable chimp. If you want to stick with your Crapmat, go right the fuck ahead, but the rest of us will continue to use quality butyl based deadeners. Oh, what, Crapmat isn't asphalt? Bullshit. Prove it. When it was tested (by Rudy, I assume, on sounddeadenershowdown.com), it was at that point asphalt, and until Crapmat releases info on when/if they made it butyl, then it must still be asphalt based. I know that other members on here must have used it in the past couple years. So until further notice, you're the spewing text diahhrea from your e-******* and making up bullshit stories about a product that, as a whole, sucks ***.

i dont know what kind of crack your smoking but it must be good....

I don't know either, but it has GOT to be better than the shit you smoke, 'cause damn you're stupid.

I don't particularly like CaliforniaBoy, but he's right in this case. And to have him put you in your place, whether you wanna admit it or not, is a bad, BAD thing.

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

this same thread is made 10+ times a month... nothin really new... just people tossin out bs and mostly talking about shit they have never used...

Ive used mutiple brands of asphalt and butyl mats. And as I stated before, Im quite confident Ive installed more mat than you have. You can say you are the only one with experience here, but the fact is you are the only guy here arguing against scientific results.

ok, that isnt exactly scientific.... thats like saying myth busters is the be all end all word on everything.

The fact you obviously have no idea what a scientifcally controlled test is just shows your ignorance. You say its not 'exactly' scientific, then go off on a tangent rant about a show on the science channel. Nice job Einstein, way to discredit a test with unrelated speculation. A 3 year old could see ythrough your reasoning. I really hope you aren't as old as you are trying to portray yourself, and you just have some growing to do. Otherwise, I have some bad news for you dude, you're just plain stupid. Oops, was that rude of me to say? I mean, mentally challenged, my bad.

I personally refuse to waste my money on some guys BS site that says USE THIS ITS BETTER...

His BS site? You only call it BS because it points out that your illustrious experience has lead you astray. Too bad, time to get over it and move on with your life.
BTW, the author of that "BS site" was once an unbiased consumer, just like you. But unlike you he took the time to purchase/acquire some of each product, test each product identically, and publish his findings. Even if he had not placed one ounce of his own personal opinions of those findings on that site, the conclusions would still be obvious, and there for all to see. No, your issue with his "BS site" is not with the testing, you are throwing a tantrum here because you dont like the result. I hope you realize you are only making yourself look bad here, nobody else.

i never said you have to take my advice i just offer it.... if you want to waste money go ahead.... I personally dont feel its worth it and i know quite a few people who agree with me... God forbid anyone have a different point of view or opinion on a product... I have spent thousands over the years on these types of product and i feel i have the right to say what i have found in my experience.... that is what a message board is for and what people are asking for when thy ask for information...

No, you never claimed anyone MUST take your advice. But, you do portray your opinion as fact, even when it flies in the face of thorough testing. Have an opinion all you want, but contrary to what you believe, this board is not for you to say anything you want. If you're wrong, expect to be called on it, just like anyone else.

he's just a nut hugger I have been messin around with stereo's since before he was born.

I highly doubt that, or else your sense of reason and deduction have yet to catch up with your years. But either way, I guarantee I have more experience/years in this field than you, try me Mr Big Shot. In the end, either way doesn't make you any less wrong.

a name calling 19 year old who is upset cause he was called on his experience.....

Im calling you on your experience. You talk alot, if your history is so proud, please do share with us. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif

i would love to meet a single person who would be able to tell the diff in sound.... so your saying what? that some of them can have a negative effect on sound quality ?

I would love to meet a person who could sit in your car with his eyes closed, listen to your stereo and tell you 1) what brand of amplifiers you use, 2) what brand of speakers you use, 3) if you used sound deadener of any sort, or 4) if your girlfriend has big tits. Gee, I guess in a blind test if you cant tell, its not worth the money. Tomrrow lets all run down and trade in our equipment for Crunch and Pyle.
Again, you have no idea how scientific testing works, or what sort of testing is applied to what form of comparison. But I suspect Im already talking over your head and you'll fire back with some irrelevant arguement. Boy I cant wait to hear that one.

fatmat is not peal and stick.... not even close... i used to roof and do roofing repair... fatmat is not even close to peal and stick...

Why should we take your advice or believe your experience amounts to jack when you don't even nkow the name of the product in question? Its peal n seal, not peal n stick. For all we know, you are arguing about some totally different product.

and for people who swear fatmat isnt butyl based... your full of shit.... it is 100% butyl based....

And yet it melts at exactly the same temperature as all the other asphalt mats, and is priced the same as the asphalt mats. There's a clear defining line between the asphalt based mats, and the butyl mats, as seen in the heat test.
Oh sure, Fatmat advertises its mat as a "Patented Rubberized Compound", and yet they also advertise (in small print) that the 'application' temp is merely 110 degrees, and its resistance temp is 300 degree. Well then gee, I guess its just an amazing coincidence the piece of fatmat Don received and test actually failed at 160 degrees. Amazing huh? But oh no, your vast experience in the field says otherwise. lol

i dont know what kind of crack your smoking but it must be good....

Do you have any idea how ironic that is, coming from you? No, of course you dont.

 

[genxx 10+ year member]

WantedIsHere- Did you even boher reading the review/test on sounddeadenershowdown.com. Is it that you just cannot comprehend the information.

What other brands have you used?

I have used multiple brands(dynamat orig., extreme, raamat, edead). There is a difference.

Phantom240 and audioholic are correct. WantedIsHere- Stop having a one tracked mind, read, listen and learn. Its not that hard. If you stop speaking out of your a** for 5 seconds you might learn something here.

 

[Rudy 10+ year member]

fatmat is not peal and stick.... not even close... i used to roof and do roofing repair... fatmat is not even close to peal and stick...

Really, a former roofer who doesn't know the name of the product? It's Peel & Seal chief. I'm looking at a piece of Peel & Seal and a piece of FatMat, side by side - identical foil, identical adhesive, identical release paper. The only measurable difference is that FatMat is slightly thinner than Peel & Seal. I guess it is possible that FatMat is Peel & Seal that didn't pass QC? I'm sure you can answer that question since you have to be associated with FatMat. There's no way a person could be wrong on every single point unless they were deliberately distorting the truth. The only reason I can think of to do that is for profit.

and for people who swear fatmat isnt butyl based... your full of shit.... it is 100% butyl based....

This statement makes it perfectly clear that you are either tied to FatMat or have no idea what you are talking about. It is easy enough for you to prove to prove me wrong. Take a piece of the supply of FatMat you said you keep on hand. Drop it in a jar of mineral spirits and leave it for 1/2 hour. Take a picture and post it here. Take another piece and hold a lighter flame to it for 10 seconds. Take a photograph and post it here. You're great at questioning other people's integrity. Now it's time for you to put up or shut up.

I have yet to have a vehicle melt any fatmat.... yet to have any come through the carpet or even melt out to where its ugly when i pull carpet back up to re do a system.... and I'm not talking after a month.... im talking after 5 years on my buddies tahoe.... the entire interior is covered front to back in fatmat... I did it when i first bought it back in early 02... I sold it to him 2 years ago.... we just took the carpet out two weeks ago to change from a tan interior to black.... we took every piece of plastic out and carpet.... not a single bad thing..... it held up great.... and were talking sacramento ca summers we get up into the 110+ range.... I'm not just talking out of my *** here for no reason at all.... I just hate people talking so much bullshit and telling lies about a product....

I have never suggested that FatMat or any other asphalt roofing product has a 100% failure rate, just that it fails much more often than I am comfortable with, isn't effective enough to be worth the risk and doesn't actually save the user any money since you need so much more to work as well.

You say here that it has been in a vehicle for 5 years and is 100% butyl. FatMat themselves didn't even add the word butyl to their Web site until a year ago and as far as I can tell, that's all they did - add the word once without changing any other copy and without offering any proof. They're trying to suggest that they changed the formula recently. You're saying it has been butyl all along. Funny.

 

[sk8erboyla2004 10+ year member]

Rudy want do you think of this here

haha i like the music

 

[phantom240 5,000+ posts]

Rudy want do you think of this here

haha i like the music

Theres nothing there

 

[Rudy 10+ year member]

Theres nothing there

Glad to hear that - thought I was missing something //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[CaliforniabOY5 10+ year member]

I don't particularly like CaliforniaBoy, but he's right in this case. And to have him put you in your place, whether you wanna admit it or not, is a bad, BAD thing.

You dont love me? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crying.gif.ec0ebefe590df0251476573bc49e46d8.gif :crying: