Decent gaming CPU

[Pl8er 5,000+ posts]

Whynot go w/ the AMD quad core instead for the price? Oh.... not aware of that are ya? Yeah... AMD and Intel have their percs each, but overall if you are going to try to go with an ATI video card on an Intel platform you will be disappointed in the future when you cannot add a second card on to take advantage of the crossfire. AMD has held the gaming side of the Intel vs AMD war for quite a while and has not rolled over and disappeared with the Intel Core 2 chips out. Their quad core systems are a dramatic improvement over Intel's attempts and wow.... only $239 for the high end one right now. Come on... get a clue and do some real research on yoru own before you just jump to follow the bandwagon. Scalability is a key role in today's computers and mixing up Intel and ATI products is a very poor decision.

The only thing I agree with is that AMD and an ATI chipset will make for a better combination.

But lets look at the plus to AMD, a true quad core where core 2 is just two cores put into one die. A lower overall price. cons - uses more power than intel. Slower than intel (actually comparable to the price reduction that they offer ie 5-10% cheaper also 5-10% slower). I have not used the Phenom yet, but I did just put a q6600 (intel) into my wifes pc. It runs great (very oc'd) and no issues. Only cost 260 dollars and I'm running at 2.8 ghz right now.

Don't think I'm an intel fanboy either, this is the first intel I have had (other than mobile)

http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2007/12/31/second-inqpressions-amd-phenom

Also, toms hardware has a review of trying to run the phenom on 10 different am2 motherboards. Almost all of them failed. So much for turn-key and future use.

 

[staypuff 10+ year member]

Whynot go w/ the AMD quad core instead for the price? Oh.... not aware of that are ya? Yeah... AMD and Intel have their percs each, but overall if you are going to try to go with an ATI video card on an Intel platform you will be disappointed in the future when you cannot add a second card on to take advantage of the crossfire. AMD has held the gaming side of the Intel vs AMD war for quite a while and has not rolled over and disappeared with the Intel Core 2 chips out. Their quad core systems are a dramatic improvement over Intel's attempts and wow.... only $239 for the high end one right now. Come on... get a clue and do some real research on yoru own before you just jump to follow the bandwagon. Scalability is a key role in today's computers and mixing up Intel and ATI products is a very poor decision.

errrrr.... yes i am aware...... i guess you aren't..... pretty well every expert in the world has stated to wait till amd gets their shit together before purchasing the amd quads as they maybe a bit cheaper but performance is not even close..... for budget rigs you're reasoning may be sound but for middle of the road to high end gaming amd has a ways to go.... not sure where you get your info but i get mine from my own comparisons of the 5 rigs i've built and dozens of reviews from some of the most highly respected people that have inside info.... not some wannabe techy on a car audio forum such as yourself.... flame away *******.....

 

[Alaxan 5,000+ posts]

errrrr.... yes i am aware...... i guess you aren't..... pretty well every expert in the world has stated to wait till amd gets their shit together before purchasing the amd quads as they maybe a bit cheaper but performance is not even close..... for budget rigs you're reasoning may be sound but for middle of the road to high end gaming amd has a ways to go.... not sure where you get your info but i get mine from my own comparisons of the 5 rigs i've built and dozens of reviews from some of the most highly respected people that have inside info.... not some wannabe techy on a car audio forum such as yourself.... flame away *******.....

Wannabe techy? Cute... not like I've not tested a number of the quad core phenom's firsthand... or that I'm a certified distributor for AMD and ATI products as well as Intel products... No.. I've no clue wtf I'm talking about... I only own a pc company designed and built around gaming rigs... and have been building systems since 1998... Yeah.. ur right tho... i've no clue wtf I'm talking about at all... bleh... learn a fact or two about someone before u attempt at that petty flame shit son.

 

[MikeofTulsa Moderator]

lol

 

[staypuff 10+ year member]

Wannabe techy? Cute... not like I've not tested a number of the quad core phenom's firsthand... or that I'm a certified distributor for AMD and ATI products as well as Intel products... No.. I've no clue wtf I'm talking about... I only own a pc company designed and built around gaming rigs... and have been building systems since 1998... Yeah.. ur right tho... i've no clue wtf I'm talking about at all... bleh... learn a fact or two about someone before u attempt at that petty flame shit son.

yes and cute website you have... no info on any systems you have just "contact us" for info.... considering what you've said here that is a real risk for your customers...

anandtech who has the inside scoop on everything in computing before anybody posted this a little while ago.... you may want to read it amd fanboy.....

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3153

the part i like is this quote from that article...

"The problem is, and I hate to ruin the surprise here, Phenom isn't faster than Intel's Core 2 Quad clock for clock. In other words, a 2.3GHz Phenom 9600 will set you back at least $283 and it's slower than a 2.4Ghz Core 2 Quad Q6600, which will only cost you $269. And you were wondering why this review wasn't called The Return of the Jedi."

i'm not trying to flame anyone here but you should really do some research before bragging about your amazing wisdom with computing.... intel is 18 months ahead of amd in everything and they plan on staying there.... and hell i AM an amd fanboy //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

so yes you pwned me with your fantastic computer company with no info on what you build on your site.... maybe you should talk to the techs at anandtech and explain your thoughts to them..... they may be impressed with what you know cause i sure as hell am not .......

 

[staypuff 10+ year member]

hmmmmmm upon further looking into your website i did find some info on your amazingly expensive laptops.....

the specs on the $1700 laptop here is quite impressive....

http://www.alchemy-computers.com/amdgoldlptp.html

so any reason why best buy would sell a laptop with much better specs for half the price you do????

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8669639&productCategoryId=pcmcat138500050001&type=product&tab=2&id=1196470766892#productdetail

unless that video card upgrade from best buy to your company is $700.....

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[Alaxan 5,000+ posts]

hmmmmmm upon further looking into your website i did find some info on your amazingly expensive laptops.....
the specs on the $1700 laptop here is quite impressive....

http://www.alchemy-computers.com/amdgoldlptp.html

so any reason why best buy would sell a laptop with much better specs for half the price you do????

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8669639&productCategoryId=pcmcat138500050001&type=product&tab=2&id=1196470766892#productdetail

unless that video card upgrade from best buy to your company is $700.....

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Wow, so I'm amazed you took your time once again to make an attempt at research. Holy shit... now.. let's look at those specs. HP laptop w/ WXGA screen... 8400GTm video card 5400 rpm HD and lesser quality wireless network adapter vs my laptop which includes a HD WUXGA+ screen, 7200rpm hd and ATI HD radeon video card yeah... there's no difference there and the HP is definately a better system.... bleh get a clue.

Second... just in case your big head missed the entire point of my recomendations and the reasoning behind them. Going with an ATI video card is better off to run on an AMD system. I never claimed the clock speed on the AMD quad to run faster than the Intel quad core. I did however, claim that it would be a better choice since he is planning on going with an ATI video card and with the scalability factor involved for the future.

Next... once again you are such the expert because you have read an article or two. I'm glad you don't do this for a living and or test and run any of the equipment yourself. I, however do test these and more than just one or two processors handed to me by a company for testing. Then again... you are the expert here right? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif

Added: Not to mention... the price difference being AMD on the lower end $239 vs $279...then again more research might help u out there rather than just taking a small piece of a the article to try to flame, since the article was written pre-release to the phenom and finalized within a day or two of it's arrival on the scene, of course the "price comparison" tho wouldn't be worthy of making note of in a recomendation for a system either...

As one more side note... I will take another quote from the same article here just for you.. and again... the point of THIS THREAD.

While Phenom suffers greatly in video encoding and 3D rendering tests, there is hope for it as the 9700 can actually compete clock-for-clock with Core 2 in some games. If all you do is game on your machine, with the right video cards you'd be hard pressed to notice the difference between a Phenom and a Core 2 system - that being said, if you're looking at quad-core, chances are that you're doing something else with your system other than game.

 

[Pl8er 5,000+ posts]

Wow, so I'm amazed you took your time once again to make an attempt at research. Holy shit... now.. let's look at those specs. HP laptop w/ WXGA screen... 8400GTm video card 5400 rpm HD and lesser quality wireless network adapter vs my laptop which includes a HD WUXGA+ screen, 7200rpm hd and ATI HD radeon video card yeah... there's no difference there and the HP is definately a better system.... bleh get a clue.
Second... just in case your big head missed the entire point of my recomendations and the reasoning behind them. Going with an ATI video card is better off to run on an AMD system. I never claimed the clock speed on the AMD quad to run faster than the Intel quad core. I did however, claim that it would be a better choice since he is planning on going with an ATI video card and with the scalability factor involved for the future.

Next... once again you are such the expert because you have read an article or two. I'm glad you don't do this for a living and or test and run any of the equipment yourself. I, however do test these and more than just one or two processors handed to me by a company for testing. Then again... you are the expert here right? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif

Ok man, we get the point your the man, we are all idiots.

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[Alaxan 5,000+ posts]

Ok man, we get the point your the man, we are all idiots.
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Not even about that... Staypuff wants to come in here and flame me because of a recomendation, then even go into and try to flame my company and my product. I simply responded back to his flames with logic and experience.

 

[Pl8er 5,000+ posts]

Not even about that... Staypuff wants to come in here and flame me because of a recomendation, then even go into and try to flame my company and my product. I simply responded back to his flames with logic and experience.

Although he was totally off base insulting you like that, your no better for going on an e-battle.

If your company is good, it will stand on customer support and knowledge alone, who cares what jonny bad nuter has to say.

 

[Alaxan 5,000+ posts]

Although he was totally off base insulting you like that, your no better for going on an e-battle.
If your company is good, it will stand on customer support and knowledge alone, who cares what jonny bad nuter has to say.

True enough... tho most ppl know me here and ca.com is one of those rare place I partake in an argument of the likes... of course... I don't really take ca.com seriously now anymore... not in a long while

 

[staypuff 10+ year member]

Although he was totally off base insulting you like that, your no better for going on an e-battle.
If your company is good, it will stand on customer support and knowledge alone, who cares what jonny bad nuter has to say.

this is what he calls flaming????? bwahahhahaa.....

i must've hit a sore spot.... i'm not flaming at all.... i simply don't think his few upgrades from a comparable computer is worth double the $$$...... he can believe whatever he likes about his vast superior knowledge to mine i really don't give a shit.... lol.....

 

[Alaxan 5,000+ posts]

this is what he calls flaming????? bwahahhahaa.....
i must've hit a sore spot.... i'm not flaming at all.... i simply don't think his few upgrades from a comparable computer is worth double the $$$...... he can believe whatever he likes about his vast superior knowledge to mine i really don't give a shit.... lol.....

Tell u what then... check out Alienware and build the same system. Go to voodoo PC and build the same system. Falcon Northwest may also have the same systems there or similar. With the same video cards, performance memory, cpu and HD screens. There is a world of difference from a HP laptop and a performance built laptop. Tho... I do challenge u to find where exactly $1k doubled equals $1700 shipped. Either way... the pricing on my systems is highly competitive among the market they are designed and built for and I stand behind each and every one of them.

 

[staypuff 10+ year member]

Tell u what then... check out Alienware and build the same system. Go to voodoo PC and build the same system. Falcon Northwest may also have the same systems there or similar. With the same video cards, performance memory, cpu and HD screens. There is a world of difference from a HP laptop and a performance built laptop. Tho... I do challenge u to find where exactly $1k doubled equals $1700 shipped. Either way... the pricing on my systems is highly competitive among the market they are designed and built for and I stand behind each and every one of them.

you may've sold me..... i'm thinking about buying one now..... with the Canadian $$ worth more than USD now and if what you're saying is true.... this may be a good deal for me..... //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

 

[Alaxan 5,000+ posts]

you may've sold me..... i'm thinking about buying one now..... with the Canadian $$ worth more than USD now and if what you're saying is true.... this may be a good deal for me..... //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

You would not be the first "skeptic" to buy one of my systems and enjoy every aspect of it. They are indeed worth the extra money and in compare to the competition the price is right. If you are seriously interested in it email me at jwilkinson@alchemy-computers.com.