Change the way you think about speakers with unreal accuracy

[hispls 5,000+ posts]

sad as I know how much you know about the subject..I never said anything about unlimited power or 0 distortion..

You can do anything to hurt or intimidate me.. Why I know this because when u mention what I'm trying to do you have no idea on how it could work..

Lmfao it has nothing to do with the motor!

Just saying

1. You came in with some vague description of some perfect loudspeaker design that was going to cost a premium (or that's what I got out of it). Then the thread got toally derailed for 3 pages.

2. If your new invention is premium priced, the HT crowd will be a better target market

3. Seems like you're talking about something that you can adjust mechanical compliance. As has been said here that isn't such a big factor in overall response particularly with most of the high performance car audio woofers today where the motor is the dominant factor in response.

I can recone a woofer for 35$ worth of parts if I really want to change compliance.

 

[wenn_du_weinst 10+ year member]

Adire has xbl^2 which simply linearize flux and then it is a matter of using the correct spacing of the gaps and coil..Is this what ur referring to?

no it's suspension technology not motor tech, they never released it but they do still hold the patent under the closed company as it is for sale and the patent goes with

 

[Moble Enclosurs 10+ year member]

I'm not sure why u mention that because that one reason the loudspeak is being designed to be highly versital to beable to be used in a wide variance of enclosures..When you design a system you use the loudspeaker that will use the avabile air space/tuned to supply the proper frequency response..

Among that it has extreme excursion capabilities if needed no other driver can offer that..

Cms will be linear through the excursion and it could literately be varied to compensate power compression among the other losses to maximize input..

First bold part: Because they are not designed for a wide variety of enclosures. They are designed with parameters based on reproduction without the use of the enclosure. The enclosure give it the ability to perform with more efficiency as far as coupling is concerned. Its common to believe that the loudspeaker was designed to accompany the environment instead of the environment being designed to accompany the loudspeaker. This is why it was mentioned. The confusion between the two are huge in figuring for responses.

Second bold part: It must be mentioned that you do not have to explain to me the purposes of loudspeakers. I am highly knowledgable in the field. Now, as far as tuning, this has less to do with the response than you might want to believe. Some enclosures do not incorperate a tuning frequency, but more so inherit a low impedance mark for electrical transfer. if you notice, in quite a few response curves, the tuning frequency does not have a major visual identifiable place, and in a proper enlcosure, it should not, unless that enclosure is designed around a resonance, not just a tuning frequency. You are referring to the simple common bass reflex designs as being the only "ported" enclosures out there it seems.

Third: Compression is not a loss. It give the ability to increase output. Now you said to maximize input, do you mean output?

I want you to understand something right now, because you are starting to upset me, and not very many people can do that well. You are very misguided in the concept of audio. Your "ideas" are great to try to accomplish, but you are preaching to the one of the few choir members in this forum. my goal here is to educate and help those who need it, and by doing so, I would like to stay away from arguments that are not going to accomplish anything. I do apologize that you feel everyone is giving you a hard time, but there is a reason for it. You started a thread about a topic that most of us will not want to understand, which I have fallen in that trap before as well, and had to fight my way out, and ended up with a lot of respect from it. But, you are taking this is a very non-productive way. Either make your point, or this thread will likely die off pretty soon, which I hope it does not. I would like to know everyone's professional opinion about his topic if possible.

I want to make this really clear to you, I believe you are doing a good thing. Now, write that down, because so far, it does not seems that you have understood all of the good things I have said about you so far. YOU ARE DOING A GOOD THING. KEEP IT UP, but do not turn this into a debate of acoustics. I am trying to keep my cool with you and be very nice about everything. We all get that you may know what you are talking about to a point and have a great idea in mind. But leave it at that. I have had to correct quite a bit about your acoustical comments so far, and as a member, I would hope you would learn from it and not go against it. I am no better than you are, but when something is said that needs to be corrected, I will correct it with the hope that it will be helpful, not as a way to make you feel inferior, so you do not have to explain yourself and feel like you need to college me in acoustics. I have been there in this audio world more than you will want to believe. College, military, and trial and error, and years of experience. That is one of the field I had in the military, I was a qualified sound propagation technician. Not much more to say than that.

You need to understand that I am here to help. You need to take that very firmly. my purpose here is not personal. Do not begin to make it personal. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[Moble Enclosurs 10+ year member]

Now, I know I got a little upset in that last post, but I dont think anyone is yet clear of your intentions. Are you trying to introduce a possible new design idea and you are excited about it? if so, thats awesome. But if you are trying to say you know more about audio and loudspeakers than anyone else, then that is not true, and do not jump on here and advertise that without a clear cause. In the beginning, I want you to understand why everyone jumped on you. You made us feel that what we are doing and having fun with is wrong. It challenged those who do not need challenging. Its the way you put it. Your sentences are never complete, or typed correctly, and it got confusing as to what you are trying to accomplish. Im just trying to understand it man. That's all. Im not getting on your case, you just gave us a reason to jump all over you. It was a clear challenge. Then, what got me is you followed up with either wrong conceptions of audio, or incomplete ones. And I happened to be there to correct it. It could be anyone that understands what I do that would do the same thing. It's how we keep it correct, and away from this misconception of general rules being as accurate as it can get. It reality, it gets much more complex than anyone would want to even comprehend. And Im talking about real formulas, not algebra stuff. Not something windows calculator can figure for.

I just want you to understand that I believe what you are talking about is awesome, but you went a strange way about presenting it on here. Do it with more excitement and less challenge next time. if you know what your talking about, you do not have to prove it, just do it. Im trying to get you to understand where we all came from. Does this help at all? Or are you going to get upset about it?

 

[Papermaker85 5,000+ posts]

I'm not going to tell you how it works..

I told you benefits..

 

[Moble Enclosurs 10+ year member]

I'm not going to tell you how it works..I told you benefits..

Oh, ok. well that's kewl. I like that you are keeping it suspenseful. I do really hope it works out for you. I think you got quite a few of the people on here curious, lol. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[wenn_du_weinst 10+ year member]

so basically we have an idea?

if that's what this thread is about I might as well just step out of it. I thought it was a finished product.

carry on and good luck in your adventures

 

[Papermaker85 5,000+ posts]

My computer crashed so I use my iPhone..

I told you it was a néw type of suspension..

This stared as a way to make the most possible throw and as linear as possible but come to think about it it can have unheard of tuning..

It's nothing more than a unique suspension system..

Bad part is to use it I'll have to incorporate it into the amp...

I can only say so much because I don't want anyone to take the idea..

I wanted to know if there was a market for such a driver..

It's going to cost abit more but the woofer is capable of A-ton of throw very linearly..

Keep in mid say you want a killer lowend monster and then want to burp it..

Changing the qms/fs without ever touching the woofer..

Its meant to take exceptional sound quality to high output levels..

If I do decied to build for production your going to see something like a 4" coil underhung with this suspension..

A true clean output with 3" of Xmax and enough motor strength to do it with good efficiency..

 

[Papermaker85 5,000+ posts]

so basically we have an idea? if that's what this thread is about I might as well just step out of it. I thought it was a finished product.

carry on and good luck in your adventures

Actually it's used in other fields already..At least something very similar..

I'm having the parts tooled..

 

[Papermaker85 5,000+ posts]

I know they have people out there smarter than me if I give too much info I'm scared they take what I designed..

I would love to discuss how it works but I cant..

 

[Team TH (Donny) 10+ year member]

My computer crashed so I use my iPhone..
I told you it was a néw type of suspension..

This stared as a way to make the most possible throw and as linear as possible but come to think about it it can have unheard of tuning..

It's nothing more than a unique suspension system..

Bad part is to use it I'll have to incorporate it into the amp...

I can only say so much because I don't want anyone to take the idea..

I wanted to know if there was a market for such a driver..

It's going to cost abit more but the woofer is capable of A-ton of throw very linearly..

Keep in mid say you want a killer lowend monster and then want to burp it..

Changing the qms/fs without ever touching the woofer..

Its meant to take exceptional sound quality to high output levels..

If I do decied to build for production your going to see something like a 4" coil underhung with this suspension..

A true clean output with 3" of Xmax and enough motor strength to do it with good efficiency..

This all sounds awesome! I really hope you can pull this off.. However it's a recession in our economy, thus being said, don't expect to mass produce it at all. Sounds like it would be very expensive to purchase and most of us don't have cash to throw around like that. Perhaps, there would be a market for it, however, just not for a good number of people. Once it comes out I'd even buy it if it comes out to be pretty awesome, but if its over $750-$1000 for a driver then forget it (speaking for me I'm not made of money). Also for your design consider durability and endurance time. Don't want something that great and most likely expensive only lasting about a year. Another thing to think about would be will it be compliment with a vehicles voltage system? Great ideas/plans nonetheless.

Also, if you need someone to test out your prototype I would be more than happy to test it out. c:

 

[Moble Enclosurs 10+ year member]

Now that we are giving advice, concerning dampening and impedance, in order to control the variations in the frequency response, try to keep impedance as constant as possible. This will help with staying away from distortion as well. Just a quick helpful hint as you were talking about variations in parameters, and these are related to the overal Q that you are trying to vary.

 

[Moble Enclosurs 10+ year member]

And I believe it will allow for that Fs change in the lower region as well.

 

[shizzzon 10+ year member]

I imply no direct facts, just implied assumptions of what I've read or heard...

Speaking of 4" coil, low FS subs..

DC Lvl6 is about 110lb sub below 30hz FS that can handle just over 7,000w of actual power continuously.

Problem is due to their lack of mass producing, the cost is around $1,500 per sub...

Mach5Audio now has capability of creating their own parts...

They will be making a 4.5" coil HT sub below 30hz FS with incredible throw. Xmech probably just over 4" just like the DC lvl6.

I'm telling you this to be aware that companies like Mach5 will probably sell this sub for a VERY low price compared to DC and many people will jump all over it.

IF you truly think you have something here, don't ask our opinion, OWN the **** thing or idea.

Then you can spill the beans, build it, etc....

And trust me, if it fails to sell, you can always sell at cost and get your money back.

Products come and go in car audio but special products will always sell...

 

[-01limited- 10+ year member]

Mach 5 is going to be doing some nice things in their future. I'm guessing you're talking about the 21" they're developing. And also a new 18"