Change the way you think about speakers with unreal accuracy

a lot of it has to do with the motor on traditional drivers, that's why you see copper rings and pole pieces along with different types of magnets. It seems your trying to create something that really isn't all that needed, if some one knows how to design the system correctly and doesn't get lazy they can reproduce a flat uncolored sound stage with just about any type of driver
It's design purpose is to eliminate spiders that color the sound when there stiff enough or just don't have the stiffness to offer proper dampening..Another neat benifit of it is I could alter it's stifness to accominate different box sizes and tunes( by lowering/raising fs).. Adversely it's going to affect impedance and qe..

I could take it a step further and have the stifness alter with frequency as well.. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

 
So your going to knit pick my statements lime I don't know this stuff?It's a well know fact that keeping the port and woofer closes together on the same plain having the same phase between the two gives you the best acoustic coupling..

not ever install can accomplish that( I did it with 2 punch he2 10s and hit a 146 with 1k at 32hz) but I didn't know that ethier..
Im not nit picking. I am correcting. I have no beef. Im just stating corrections. That is what I do here, help. My intentions are not to hurt anyone. I even said some pretty positive things to you as well. I even mentioned that this thread is a great topic, because I believe it to be. It is important that you mention what you did. I appreciate that you started this thread, but there were corrections to be made, and I corrected them. No personal stuff here for me, it's all business.

I do agree that on the same plane, phasing should be matched. But not everything acoustical is on one plane, it is on many. Even pinpointing a specific listening position has thousands of different propagation paths and timings. So, to sum it up, yes your right about being on the same plane. But when you ahve to consider different ones, its good to know that this rule is not true or solid to go by, such as port up subs back kind of setup. I will admit that in car audio, phasing of the LF range is less important than larger areas, but still can be figured optimally for a response curve. When the phase changes more than 90 degrees for any subsystem, I consider ti to be out of range for acoustical reproduction of any kind of sound quality regardless of compression in the vehicle as sound intensity and sound pressure are two different factors.

Now, saying not every install can accomplish that is like giving up. Yes they can if you know how to do it. I have designed some off the wall ugly *** systems before that need to look that way to get the right sound.....and guess what? No one wanted them. To much is concentrated on a stereotypical visual perspective of audio that the concentration of accuracy becomes null. I do not deal with that concept very well and my entire purpose here is to gear away from that. SO, my belief is it can be accomplished optimally, again, keyword...optimally. not perfectly. Huge difference.

 
It's design purpose is to eliminate spiders that color the sound when there stiff enough or just don't have the stiffness to offer proper dampening..Another neat benifit of it is I could alter it's stifness to accominate different box sizes and tunes( by lowering/raising fs).. Adversely it's going to affect impedance and qe..I could take it a step further and have the stifness alter with frequency as well.. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif
Frequency changes already affect impedance

 
It's design purpose is to eliminate spiders that color the sound when there stiff enough or just don't have the stiffness to offer proper dampening..Another neat benifit of it is I could alter it's stifness to accominate different box sizes and tunes( by lowering/raising fs).. Adversely it's going to affect impedance and qe..I could take it a step further and have the stifness alter with frequency as well.. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif
Now, don't get me wrong though. I am not saying this is not a great idea. Please note that before you judge my comments as being negative. I think its amazing to think about. Your goals are why audio has become so popular and great, in my opinion. SO, great job on expanding the ideas I say.

 
thats me right there! lol

This is a great point and one of the tougher parts of designing an SPL enclosure with someone who is looking at a specific tuning frequency. Someone might say, " I want it to burp at 37Hz", but when I tell them, that peaking the design at this frequency, will only yield a 6dB increase from 0 referenced on 2.83V efficiency based on the -23dB loss at that frequency with the placement and such considered in the design due to cabin loss, they get disappointed sometimes, because they have their ears set on that frequency-something that someone before told them was optimal, lol. But this is also where I have to consider placement of other areas for increasing this if they have no other goals. Can make for a tough and long design process. Some have to understand that sometimes, with their goals set high, it just wont do well. I like this being mentioned.
 
Thanks but this i know..I could alter the rise or fall in impedance..
Ok, here is the thing. With acoustics in a space that has limitations.....driver parameters are merely a starting point. Changing or controlling them would inherently alter the design all together as the enclosure does most of this already using resonances and propagation, phase control, impedance matching, coupling, etc. Too many variables exist to create a constant in sound type for a single driver. This would likely, one be very costly, and two, have a considerable difference in reproduction itself. Take the fan blade model by eminence that changes pitch to accompany frequency in the HT world, and how much that thing costs. I think that is what you may be talking about in general. It, to me , is the ultimate loudspeaker, as the mechanics involved in much different than a conventional loudspeaker using spiders for cone control-its purely mechanical and electrical. This would be up your alley, but already exists. if you find a way to beat that technology, then there is no reason to advertise it here. You need to do much more than a forum to get that thing out there....which makes me wonder of the purpose of the thread anyhow.....publicity before fame?

You came of as the kid from american pie that says, "this one time in band camp" with random quotes about this idea, with no example of anything or possible breakthrough ideas. If you are worried of copyright, I suggest not posting it before production. It seems very unlikely that anything can come out of this on here. I am not bashing the idea, by the way, I love that you are thinking the way you are, but I would suggest taking it where it matters. It was good to post up the idea here, but I think the reasoning is still unclear.

 
The difference in that affect is qes to qts..It's not going to vary it so greatly as to where it's going to be unusable..

Your qe migh rise or fall .1
It is also important to mention that it was once said to me, that "it is not the loudspeaker that is the issue, it is the room it is in." This means that even though this type of technology can be possible, that controlling resonances within a space can still only be accomplished by the dimensions and dampening of the room, and not the loudspeaker. To me, which is very important to note, the loudspeaker is never the issue in any kind of design, which is why the incorporation of the environment is considered with every one. Every loudspeaker, in a free-air environment can play phenomenally flat to an extend even though the mechanical changes occur, the acoustics due to the amount of limitations, such as in a dipole setup, are NOT limited as much. It's when you take the sound waves and give them a sense of direction and control, that things get messed up. This is why I do not recommend anything but dipole in a HT system, as from what I have designed and experience so far, it is much more natural and realistic than conventional. People are afraid of cancellation too much, I think.

So, designing a driver, or transducer in this sense, for those purposes are not likely going to become more admirable than the fan sub, and even it cannot control resonances, which are the major contributing factor in natural sound.

 
I'm not sure why u mention that because that one reason the loudspeak is being designed to be highly versital to beable to be used in a wide variance of enclosures..

When you design a system you use the loudspeaker that will use the avabile air space/tuned to supply the proper frequency response..

Among that it has extreme excursion capabilities if needed no other driver can offer that..

Cms will be linear through the excursion and it could literately be varied to compensate power compression among the other losses to maximize input..

 
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