Bush at his best

Control the border - agreed, as long as it includes some incentives for the millions already here to assimilate into our society. Harboring millions of disenfranchised people within our boarders is foolish.
Define tourture legislation(eg. Cold rooms, loud music, wet floors = not torture)

Disagree. We should continue to use the standards previously used, while privately doing what ever the **** we want to get the info we really need. There should be the fear of getting caught, in order to keep the use of torture to cases where its really needed. We should not lose face in the international community by publicly endorsing torture.

Tax reform (eg. Fairtax plan http://www.fairtax.org/),

Im interested in a consumption based flax tax and abolishment of the IRS as we know it.

Outlaw or set guidelines for late term abortion- as long as the restrictions aren't overzealous. We should maintain the right to choose.

Protect citizens from iminent domain siezures of land by corporations - agree

Set realistic goals and timetables for success in Iraq - first you are going to have to define success. Success to me personally, is setting up some brutal dictatorship who will be friendly to us, and lay down some law and allow us to get the fuq out. I see no way of successfully implementing democracy with the barrel of a gun.

Social security reform (allow the individual to invest in private accounts that cannot be liquidated by government) - I don't think you can do this without, either raising payroll taxes, or cannibalizing the current system. I agree we must fix the system, but i don't see private accounts solving the current fiscal solvency issues.

Abolish teacher's unions - disagree. Abolishing unions seems a little bit communistic.

* Why should we spend millions of our tax dollars to assimilate people who are here illegally? That is, breaking the law by being in the country?

*The Geneva convention definition of tourture states "Outrages upon personal dignity, in particular, humiliating and degrading treatment" shall not be allowed. One could concievably argue that simple interogation procedures such as bright lights, loud and foul lnguage, and harsh questions could constitue this. Just how are we supposed to interogate prisoners? Are we even allowed to in any form under such broad guidlines? Very vague and broad definition, definitely not clear cut enough.

*Late term abortions? Many doctors define abortion as terminance of a pregnancy all the way up until the unbilical cord is cut. Your saying the woman should be allowed to terminate a late term preganancy at any time, including once the child has been birthed, as long as the chord has not been cut? What about several days before giving birth to a healthy, fully developed baby?

*Many teachers unions are faulty under the premise that there is absolutely no competition, or set requirements members must reach from an educational standpoint. Lazy teachers make the same wage as outstanding one's, while the students unlucky enough to get stuck with a lame duck suffer. They have abosultely no accountability to the taxpayer, who in turn pay their salaries, to educate thier children to agreeable standards.

*There is absolutely no "physical" money goverment social security accounts right now. The current system is basically a huge slush fund that politicians raid on a yearly basis, leaving behind IOU's for future generations. Americans need the ability to invest at least a portion of thier money into accounts that can not be raided by goverment, and that they themselves have individual control over.

 
*Why should we spend millions of our tax dollars to assimilate people who are here illegally? That is, breaking the law by being in the country?

Because there isn't a feasible way to get them out. Its better to have them assimilate than for them to remain disenfranchised within our borders. I also fail to see why it would cost money. If they are included into society they will also pay taxes. unless you are trying to say that immigrants are some how inferior and incapable of being productive and contributing members of society, given the opportunity.

*The Geneva convention definition of torture states "Outrages upon personal dignity, in particular, humiliating and degrading treatment" shall not be allowed. One could conceivably argue that simple interrogation procedures such as bright lights, loud and foul language, and harsh questions could constitue this. Just how are we supposed to interogate prisoners? Are we even allowed to in any form under such broad guidlines? Very vague and broad definition, definitely not clear cut enough.

Reread my post. Maintain the standards as they are, in order to protect our moral authority in the international community, but continue to do what ever we want. Just as every other country now does. There is no reason to lose credibility with the world, when we can just keep the agreements and continue to do what ever the fuq we want. Plus since it will be covert, the incentive for those in charge to only use torture when its really needed. It will keep them from using it too often, for fear of discovery.

*Late term abortions? Many doctors define abortion as terminance of a pregnancy all the way up until the unbilical cord is cut. Your saying the woman should be allowed to terminate a late term preganancy at any time, including once the child has been birthed, as long as the chord has not been cut? What about several days before giving birth to a healthy, fully developed baby?

Again reread my post, SOME regulation would be fine with me. Maybe restrict abortions after the 20th week or so, except for ****/******/life of the mother.

*Many teachers unions are faulty under the premise that there is absolutely no competition, or set requirements members must reach from an educational standpoint. Lazy teachers make the same wage as outstanding one's, while the students unlucky enough to get stuck with a lame duck suffer. They have abosultely no accountability to the taxpayer, who in turn pay their salaries, to educate thier children to agreeable standards.

Simply abolishing teachers unions wont instantly solve any problems. I think you are being overly simplistic. There are minimum standards to keep federal funding.

*There is absolutely no "physical" money goverment social security accounts right now. The current system is basically a huge slush fund that politicians raid on a yearly basis, leaving behind IOU's for future generations. Americans need the ability to invest at least a portion of thier money into accounts that can not be raided by goverment, and that they themselves have individual control over.

How about they just stop raiding the account. I wouldn't be opposed to some sort of private accounts, as long as the long term solvency issues are also addressed at the same time. Taking more money out of the system without fixing it, isn't enough for me.

 
No 1 will ever stop Latinos from jumping the border.

hahahahahahaha

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How's this? Don't pay your best employees more, don't ease out your least productive workers, and for crying out loud, never fire anyone, not even for the most blatant misconduct on the job. It works for the public schools, doesn't it? Actually, it doesn't, but since they're union government monopolies, they don't care. They never go out of business. They just keep doing what they're doing, year after year, churning out class after class of students handicapped by a poor education. Home schooled students statistically blow public school students out of the water when it comes to academic achievment. Makes you wonder what our millions in taxpayer dollars are paying for.

Being union myself I would say yes, you pay them all the same. Workers that belong to the same union should not make anymore than the person next to them (except foreman) even if one is better than the other. As soon as one worker negotiates their own wages they're no longer part of the UNION. BTW that is why its called a UNION. Unions are about workers sticking together and having strength in numbers. This is why corporate thinkers such as yourself can't stand them. Its not about one teacher being better than another to you. Its about not having total control over the workers because they're in a union that has you and everyone like you upset. The fact that they can't walk out and fire someone at the drop of a hat. The fact that they can't just cut healthcare. The fact that they can't just cut any other benefit or lower the negotiated wages. Those are the reasons you and other corporate type people can't stand unions. Just admit it.

The union I belong to does NOT mean you don't have to pull your weight on the job. If there is a weak link, he or she is the first to get laid off. Firing is reserved for blatant disregard for safety and/or other company policies which are governed by the union steward and the company representative. I know you want to paint the picture of unions as a bunch of lazy, overpaid and underworked slobs but that just isn't true at all.

 
he doesn't mean everyone in the shop makes the same exact wage.. people advance and earn raises according to the same set of rules. he is saying its beneficial to the worker to negotiate as a group for all members than to try to individually negotiate. And he is right. Unions benefit the worker.

 
Only the unskilled worker. A person that is skilled at what they do is only held back by a union. Unions are for lazy people that don't want to work hard and make the same as others working hard.
thats not true at all. Skill trade workers benefit greatly.

 
Skilled medical personnel, government employees, bricklayers, plumbers, carpenters, electricians, ect - all benefit from unionization. You cannot tell me they dont get higher wages and better medical/dental/vision/pension plans by group negotiation.

 
As a whole they will get more. However the richest people in the world are not part of a union //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

yeah lol ok well unions still benefit every fuqing worker, in every fukkin industry they are found in. Otherwise they wouldnt form unions //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/fyi.gif.9f1f679348da7204ce960cfc74bca8e0.gif If you are able to negotiate a better deal, nothing stops you from doing so, you certainly arent held back by the union, all you have to do is find another employer willing to pay you more. To say people are held back by unions is retarded.

 
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