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<blockquote data-quote="faulkton" data-source="post: 2343543" data-attributes="member: 561910"><p>*Why should we spend millions of our tax dollars to assimilate people who are here illegally? That is, breaking the law by being in the country?</p><p></p><p>Because there isn't a feasible way to get them out. Its better to have them assimilate than for them to remain disenfranchised within our borders. I also fail to see why it would cost money. If they are included into society they will also pay taxes. unless you are trying to say that immigrants are some how inferior and incapable of being productive and contributing members of society, given the opportunity.</p><p></p><p>*The Geneva convention definition of torture states "Outrages upon personal dignity, in particular, humiliating and degrading treatment" shall not be allowed. One could conceivably argue that simple interrogation procedures such as bright lights, loud and foul language, and harsh questions could constitue this. Just how are we supposed to interogate prisoners? Are we even allowed to in any form under such broad guidlines? Very vague and broad definition, definitely not clear cut enough.</p><p></p><p>Reread my post. Maintain the standards as they are, in order to protect our moral authority in the international community, but continue to do what ever we want. Just as every other country now does. There is no reason to lose credibility with the world, when we can just keep the agreements and continue to do what ever the fuq we want. Plus since it will be covert, the incentive for those in charge to only use torture when its really needed. It will keep them from using it too often, for fear of discovery.</p><p></p><p>*Late term abortions? Many doctors define abortion as terminance of a pregnancy all the way up until the unbilical cord is cut. Your saying the woman should be allowed to terminate a late term preganancy at any time, including once the child has been birthed, as long as the chord has not been cut? What about several days before giving birth to a healthy, fully developed baby?</p><p></p><p>Again reread my post, SOME regulation would be fine with me. Maybe restrict abortions after the 20th week or so, except for ****/******/life of the mother.</p><p></p><p>*Many teachers unions are faulty under the premise that there is absolutely no competition, or set requirements members must reach from an educational standpoint. Lazy teachers make the same wage as outstanding one's, while the students unlucky enough to get stuck with a lame duck suffer. They have abosultely no accountability to the taxpayer, who in turn pay their salaries, to educate thier children to agreeable standards.</p><p></p><p>Simply abolishing teachers unions wont instantly solve any problems. I think you are being overly simplistic. There are minimum standards to keep federal funding.</p><p></p><p>*There is absolutely no "physical" money goverment social security accounts right now. The current system is basically a huge slush fund that politicians raid on a yearly basis, leaving behind IOU's for future generations. Americans need the ability to invest at least a portion of thier money into accounts that can not be raided by goverment, and that they themselves have individual control over.</p><p></p><p>How about they just stop raiding the account. I wouldn't be opposed to some sort of private accounts, as long as the long term solvency issues are also addressed at the same time. Taking more money out of the system without fixing it, isn't enough for me.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="faulkton, post: 2343543, member: 561910"] *Why should we spend millions of our tax dollars to assimilate people who are here illegally? That is, breaking the law by being in the country? Because there isn't a feasible way to get them out. Its better to have them assimilate than for them to remain disenfranchised within our borders. I also fail to see why it would cost money. If they are included into society they will also pay taxes. unless you are trying to say that immigrants are some how inferior and incapable of being productive and contributing members of society, given the opportunity. *The Geneva convention definition of torture states "Outrages upon personal dignity, in particular, humiliating and degrading treatment" shall not be allowed. One could conceivably argue that simple interrogation procedures such as bright lights, loud and foul language, and harsh questions could constitue this. Just how are we supposed to interogate prisoners? Are we even allowed to in any form under such broad guidlines? Very vague and broad definition, definitely not clear cut enough. Reread my post. Maintain the standards as they are, in order to protect our moral authority in the international community, but continue to do what ever we want. Just as every other country now does. There is no reason to lose credibility with the world, when we can just keep the agreements and continue to do what ever the fuq we want. Plus since it will be covert, the incentive for those in charge to only use torture when its really needed. It will keep them from using it too often, for fear of discovery. *Late term abortions? Many doctors define abortion as terminance of a pregnancy all the way up until the unbilical cord is cut. Your saying the woman should be allowed to terminate a late term preganancy at any time, including once the child has been birthed, as long as the chord has not been cut? What about several days before giving birth to a healthy, fully developed baby? Again reread my post, SOME regulation would be fine with me. Maybe restrict abortions after the 20th week or so, except for ****/******/life of the mother. *Many teachers unions are faulty under the premise that there is absolutely no competition, or set requirements members must reach from an educational standpoint. Lazy teachers make the same wage as outstanding one's, while the students unlucky enough to get stuck with a lame duck suffer. They have abosultely no accountability to the taxpayer, who in turn pay their salaries, to educate thier children to agreeable standards. Simply abolishing teachers unions wont instantly solve any problems. I think you are being overly simplistic. There are minimum standards to keep federal funding. *There is absolutely no "physical" money goverment social security accounts right now. The current system is basically a huge slush fund that politicians raid on a yearly basis, leaving behind IOU's for future generations. Americans need the ability to invest at least a portion of thier money into accounts that can not be raided by goverment, and that they themselves have individual control over. How about they just stop raiding the account. I wouldn't be opposed to some sort of private accounts, as long as the long term solvency issues are also addressed at the same time. Taking more money out of the system without fixing it, isn't enough for me. [/QUOTE]
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