Building A Box For JL Audio 12W6V2

[Techmaster05 10+ year member]

well im not comparing the BTL to the W6, i know the BTL hits CRAZY hard. Its for my pleasure most of all. I know the w series is not the end all be all SQ driver. I just prefer it over any sub, but than again I haven't heard to many subs out their.

 

[terra 5,000+ posts]

well im not comparing the BTL to the W6, i know the BTL hits CRAZY hard. Its for my pleasure most of all. I know the w series is not the end all be all SQ driver. I just prefer it over any sub, but than again I haven't heard to many subs out their.

All I'm saying is that this forum has a vast wealth of knowledgeable people and experience, it wouldn't hurt to listen to their suggestions. Nobody here is suggesting crazy SPL drivers so you're safe there. The W series vs. other driver topic has been discussed more times than I care to remember here, so it's not hard to find good recommendations. But if you genuinely ONLY want to run a JL subwoofer then feel free, but don't do so because you've fallen prey to a large marketing budget.

FWIW I preferred the TC-3000 to the W7.

 

[Techmaster05 10+ year member]

All I'm saying is that this forum has a vast wealth of knowledgeable people and experience, it wouldn't hurt to listen to their suggestions. Nobody here is suggesting crazy SPL drivers so you're safe there. The W series vs. other driver topic has been discussed more times than I care to remember here, so it's not hard to find good recommendations. But if you genuinely ONLY want to run a JL subwoofer then feel free, but don't do so because you've fallen prey to a large marketing budget.
FWIW I preferred the TC-3000 to the W7.

I just need someone to open my eyes bro to tell you the truth. I just haven't really heard to many subs, i've heard more JL's than any other sub so thats why.

 

[helotaxi 5,000+ posts]

There's nothing groundbreaking about any JL subwoofer, just testing done to create a good combination of parts.

Actually, the "good combination of parts" for the W7, W6v2 and TW5 were all designed in-house by JL's engineers and they hold or have applications for a plethora of patents regarding those designs. The W7 is an entirely proprietary design and almost all of the W6v2 and TW5 components are entirely proprietary as well.

There are many subwoofers I would choose over a W7 for SQ purposes, some less expensive and some more expensive. But don't think that the W series is the end all be all SQ driver.

Because of the subjective and install dependent nature of what most consider SQ everyone has their own opinion.

Oh and I'm quite interested to see the parts sources for JL's all american built and supplied drivers..

The W7, W6v2 and TW5 are assembled in-house at their Miramar facility. Some of the investment casting at least used to be done there. They have a fiberglass and enclosure production facility on site as well. Good luck discovering who their parts supplier is. They aren't telling. They no longer claim that the other series are made there, though they were at one time.

 

[bluecavi28 10+ year member]

Hey, give me a call. since you are not too far from me, I can show you some stuff that will blow your mind. When I got into car audio around 1996 JL was all the rage. I spent $4k on my system in 97. 3 12w6's all Xtant amps. Image dynamic highs. I spent a lot of money to figure out that the equipment had very little to do with the sound. Sure JL made good subs but they are only as good as the enclosure that was built for them. Save yourself a lot of time, money and remorse and find some guys that have been in the business for years. Ask them for advice and ask for demos. Joining this site was a good idea. Please don't listen to bluecavi28. I'm not trying to start anything here but his advice is very uneducated. He must not realize that all of JL's equipment is made in China now as well.

Subwoofer Driver Production - Miramar, FL USA

JL Audio Engineering - Florida/Arizona, USA

JL Audio: Facility Tour Pictures [audiojunkies]

First off your wrong JL is american built as proven by the links above. I challenge you to show me the build house's of the magical woofer's that are better than JL's subs.

You say my advice is uneducated and that joining this forum is great for advice....this is only good if you want to lead someone chasing their a** in circles trying to find quality product.

I realise I am not the most knowledgable person in car audio but I can hold my own and atleast I am not bias and lead people away from a good product like 90% of the forum hoper's do my only intent is for people to look at the whole picture for what it is...common sense and a little understanding of business can go a long ways thats why I tell people to go and listen for themselves and don't listen to opinions because the online car stereo business is run by hype these company's come on here and round up reputable and knowledgable member's to pump up the products...they have to to make any sales at all lot's of times there are real POS made to look great.

I am sure there are other products that better JL's top subs and of course install makes or breaks any install but I'm not going to try and lead the OP around in a cricle to get other products.

 

[Flastrongman 10+ year member]

How am I trying to make this guy chase his a** in circles by saying his money will be better spent on products other then JL. It's really just a matter of experience. Like I said one of my first systems was JL W6's. I was only 17 at the time. They were good subs, never let me down. But when I got more serious into car audio, JL did not cut it anymore. You can't even make the argument that they are more reliable then the competition. I worked for a JL dealer. I saw more blown JL subs then you can imagine. Luckily they had a good warranty. I give them credit for that, it's one of the main reason's they got their rep. But at 3x the cost of the competition they can afford a good warranty. And if you really believe they are all american made then keep thinking that. You don't think there are other companies out there that claim to be "American made" but they are really only "assembled" in America? And if you want to talk business then you have to look at what JL has become. They used to offer a great product at a competitive price. Now they offer a middle of the road product at a premium price. They are like the Mcdonalds of car audio. Ask yourself, does Mcdonalds make the best hamburgers in the world? (I hope you said no.) But almost every person in America knows about Mcdonalds. JL is just a brand name my friend. That's what you're buying. You've been duped into paying to much because you did not want to learn anything other then what's in front of your own face.

 

[terra 5,000+ posts]

Actually, the "good combination of parts" for the W7, W6v2 and TW5 were all designed in-house by JL's engineers and they hold or have applications for a plethora of patents regarding those designs. The W7 is an entirely proprietary design and almost all of the W6v2 and TW5 components are entirely proprietary as well.


Because of the subjective and install dependent nature of what most consider SQ everyone has their own opinion.

The W7, W6v2 and TW5 are assembled in-house at their Miramar facility. Some of the investment casting at least used to be done there. They have a fiberglass and enclosure production facility on site as well. Good luck discovering who their parts supplier is. They aren't telling. They no longer claim that the other series are made there, though they were at one time.

Nothing personal, but nearly all underground companies are "built in the USA". But where do the parts actually come from:naughty: . Having a 13" driver requires a lot of custom work, but nothing groundbreaking. Same with the TW5.

 

[basebalz13 10+ year member]

Moron, JL aint american made.

 

[basebalz13 10+ year member]

Moron, JL aint american made.

 

[bluecavi28 10+ year member]

How am I trying to make this guy chase his a** in circles by saying his money will be better spent on products other then JL. It's really just a matter of experience. Like I said one of my first systems was JL W6's. I was only 17 at the time. They were good subs, never let me down. But when I got more serious into car audio, JL did not cut it anymore. You can't even make the argument that they are more reliable then the competition. I worked for a JL dealer. I saw more blown JL subs then you can imagine. Luckily they had a good warranty. I give them credit for that, it's one of the main reason's they got their rep. But at 3x the cost of the competition they can afford a good warranty. And if you really believe they are all american made then keep thinking that. You don't think there are other companies out there that claim to be "American made" but they are really only "assembled" in America? And if you want to talk business then you have to look at what JL has become. They used to offer a great product at a competitive price. Now they offer a middle of the road product at a premium price. They are like the Mcdonalds of car audio. Ask yourself, does Mcdonalds make the best hamburgers in the world? (I hope you said no.) But almost every person in America knows about Mcdonalds. JL is just a brand name my friend. That's what you're buying. You've been duped into paying to much because you did not want to learn anything other then what's in front of your own face.

I mentioned the running in circles part because he already own's the 12w6v2 and pushing other brands probably wouldn't help him.

About me paying to much for the JL brand, I bought my two 12w6v2's brand new condition for $200 (for both) I am very well aware that they charge to much and I mentioned earlier they are a great brand if you can get a deal I would never pay dealer price personaly. And I'm sure since you worked at a JL dealer you did see lot's of blown subs...being mainstream and the large amounts of inexperienced kids buying there products thinking there SPL monstors thats going to happen.

I started out many years ago with JL then from word of mouth online gave Image Dynamics and RE Audio (since at one time they were the answer to everyone's subwoofer questions) a try only to be let down from everything from performance to reliability issues so now back to what I know works for me, like I said earlier I am sure there are better brands out there than JL but it's so hard to weed through the hype and whats real so I stick with whatever I can demo first before I buy it's easy to take every opinion literaly that you get online so my intent is to make the OP aware of what happens if he has the money to go out and buy new woofer's to try out without hearing them first all the power to him but me personaly I sure don't.

 

[bluecavi28 10+ year member]

Moron, JL aint american made.

Show me proof and I will admit to being a moron I already have presented mine not sure how much more proof would be needed. I will be awaiting this evidence and we will see who the moron is...

 

[Flastrongman 10+ year member]

I mentioned the running in circles part because he already own's the 12w6v2 and pushing other brands probably wouldn't help him.
About me paying to much for the JL brand, I bought my two 12w6v2's brand new condition for $200 (for both) I am very well aware that they charge to much and I mentioned earlier they are a great brand if you can get a deal I would never pay dealer price personaly. And I'm sure since you worked at a JL dealer you did see lot's of blown subs...being mainstream and the large amounts of inexperienced kids buying there products thinking there SPL monstors thats going to happen.

I started out many years ago with JL then from word of mouth online gave Image Dynamics and RE Audio (since at one time they were the answer to everyone's subwoofer questions) a try only to be let down from everything from performance to reliability issues so now back to what I know works for me, like I said earlier I am sure there are better brands out there than JL but it's so hard to weed through the hype and whats real so I stick with whatever I can demo first before I buy it's easy to take every opinion literaly that you get online so my intent is to make the OP aware of what happens if he has the money to go out and buy new woofer's to try out without hearing them first all the power to him but me personaly I sure don't.

Which is why, when I talked to him I encouraged him to keep his W6 seeing that he already has a good sub. But he seemed set on uprgrading to W7, so that's why I tried to steer him away from JL. The W7 has to be one of the most over hyped subs in car audio history.

Not sure why you had a bad experience with Image Dynamics and RE. Both made great subs. Just like some people hate kicker because it has to do more with user error then a faulty product. At the end of the day, most subs are equal or very very close. It's got 99% to do with the install. Quit blaming a certain product and or pushing a product because that's all YOU have had good or bad experience with. You've tried two other subs besides JL and that makes JL the best in your book. So anyone that strays from JL is stupid and chasing their tail right? Do you have any idea how many different subs I have in my house right now? And I'm not even close to having tried everything that's out there. I don't have the time to keep up with all the newest products on the market. But jeez man, get out of your tiny world and realize there is more out there than ONE company that's on it's way out.

 

[bluecavi28 10+ year member]

Which is why, when I talked to him I encouraged him to keep his W6 seeing that he already has a good sub. But he seemed set on uprgrading to W7, so that's why I tried to steer him away from JL. The W7 has to be one of the most over hyped subs in car audio history.Not sure why you had a bad experience with Image Dynamics and RE. Both made great subs. Just like some people hate kicker because it has to do more with user error then a faulty product. At the end of the day, most subs are equal or very very close. It's got 99% to do with the install. Quit blaming a certain product and or pushing a product because that's all YOU have had good or bad experience with. You've tried two other subs besides JL and that makes JL the best in your book. So anyone that strays from JL is stupid and chasing their tail right? Do you have any idea how many different subs I have in my house right now? And I'm not even close to having tried everything that's out there. I don't have the time to keep up with all the newest products on the market. But jeez man, get out of your tiny world and realize there is more out there than ONE company that's on it's way out.

When did I say JL is the only brand?

I have lots of experience with other brands the two I mentioned were the non mainstream brands I have tried and they let me down miserably. I know this can turn into a user error arguement so I will ask how can 6 baskets from the Image Dynamics IDQV3 drivers I owned crack and crumble on me?...two arrived to me shipped that way and four of them happened after installed in the enclosure.

I'm sure since you have knowledge of how a subwoofer works I know you can guess what happens if a basket starts to crack...everything shifts and sabatoges itself...but thats a whole other topic that I don't want to get into because I'm still annoyed with it.

I'm not trying to push any product I just mention JL Audio is a brand that has proven themselves and can be demoed localy instead of listening to what some know it all online says is a best buy.

You do nice work with your enclosures btw

 

[Phoenix Risen 10+ year member]

btw bluecavi the sub that i mentioned earlier is the custom built psi 12 that i am running currently. which i hate to break it to you is built and supplied in country.

and experimenting with mainstream brands is just like ppl buying clothes because someones name is on it, i doesnt make sense, most of the well know brands over rates their stuff to the point that unless you bench test it you have no clue what it actually can handle or put out.

mainstream equipment is less than 25% of whats out there, so do your self a favor. dabble a little in the "underground"

 

[Flastrongman 10+ year member]

Sorry to hear about your bad experience with ID Cavi. They were some of my favorite subs. I never did get to try the IDMAX. I always ran the old IDQ's. They were great to me and I sold them to a friend that ran them for years in his own car and now they are in his wife's car still bumpin. I feel ya on the being able to demo a product first but then you still would miss out on some of the great products that are not sold in shops. And like you I usually find a deal on some good used equipment because this hobby gets way too expensive if you buy everything new and pay retail. For diy car audio guys like myself, shops are a thing of the past. There's so many knowledgeable people on these forums that there is no need to even talk to anyone that's in a shop. There's even a lot of dealers and shop owners on this site. Sub builders, box builders, world class competitors and such. Now sure, I'll agree some of these guys are in tight with a certain company and that's all they push. But then you got some really good guys like the owner of Sundown. He does unbiased comparisons once in while of his product vs the competition. It's companies like that, where the owner is still a hobbyist himself that I feel comfortable recommending to other people.