Building 10 sec. car..What does it take?

[dbhittin 5,000+ posts]

friends built 302 with nos in a hardbody truck runs 10.7's all day... id say there around 500hp

 

[marleyskater420 5,000+ posts]

I rather have a civic 300hp and get 35mph then a V8 that does 500hp at 3000rpm and drinks gas like a Semi Truck..
Unless your rich or your dad owns a gas station then I would go for the 500hp car..

Uhm..I get 12/20+ mpg... and I have roughly 400whp/450wtq.

Theres other fast 500hp cars that can get upper teens/low 20 gas mileage.

 

[Dtowncats 10+ year member]

I say buy a decent fox body Mustang for 6-8k, buy an A4 or Dart block. Stroke it to a 331 or 347, twin turbo it, do a race suspension in it, and you are there. I doubt you would spend more than 25-30k on everything.

 

[IA2 10+ year member]

alright if were talking about the mitsu evo 8 here ive seen some pretty impressive things done with them. what you will want to do is drop that 1.8L thats in it and go find yourself a 200-04 eclipse 2.4l engine. they are very simular. then you take parts such as the head and such from the evo engine and with a little modding they will fit on the 2.4l eclipse engine. then drop that in your car and begin modding that out. with bigger turbo blow off exhaust the whole shabang. you ould check http://www.eclipseforums.org. search around there there are some people who have don the engine mod to their eclipse or they could point you in the direction of an evo forum as i cant remember where i saw this mod done.

http://www.evolutionm.net

nobody there would agree with anything you just said however......(other than the bigger turbo/exhaust part) why would you go to all that trouble, when the evo engine can be stroked to 2.4l relatively easily? oh, and evos have 2.0 stock, not 1.8 //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[Dtowncats 10+ year member]

With drivetrain loss of 30%, that motor is making 334HP.1

Where do you get 30% drivetrain loss? Most cars have 20-22% if its an auto and 15-17% if its manual. And it is definitely possible to run 10s in a 300 hp car that weighs 3000 lbs. I have seen a stock motor fox Mustang run 12.8x with suspension, DRs, and exhaust. It also weighed more than 3000, more like 3200-3300 with the driver. And these cars are rated at 225 from Ford but most dyno at 195-205 at the wheels.

 

[Polecat 5,000+ posts]

Where do you get 30% drivetrain loss? Most cars have 20-22% if its an auto and 15-17% if its manual. And it is definitely possible to run 10s in a 300 hp car that weighs 3000 lbs. I have seen a stock motor fox Mustang run 12.8x with suspension, DRs, and exhaust. It also weighed more than 3000, more like 3200-3300 with the driver. And these cars are rated at 225 from Ford but most dyno at 195-205 at the wheels.

30% is a common ground depending on suspention setup and traction of such track. Only 60' can determine actual. Too many variables, such as stall converter, rear air pressure in tires, engine heat at launch time,etc,etc.

And I still don't see a 300hp car, doing 10's unless it's with a 300HP shot of NOS, which then, now it's not a 300hp car. And true, depending on alltitude of the track, a stock Mustang can run 12.8's with a few mods....but getting from 12.8's to the 10's is a HUGE jump...just not a few seconds. It's like doing 140db, then doing 155db...

PS my 4200 lbs truck, with me, another 240 lbs ran 12.84's...

 

[99StangGt 10+ year member]

I know this isnt impressive but my old tow rig was a 77 suburban 1/2 ton with a stock 454 and ran 16.1. It won the first race i raced in, way consistent. By the way Marleyskater my old nova was a 2700lb car tubbed( i did it all myself) The engine was a 427 chevy 11.0 to 1 pistons stock crank , polished 66 bathtub heads with big valves, Clay smith 310 low lift roller cam, Holley strip intake and a predator carb ran through a Turbo 350 manual shift with a 4000 stall to 4.56 gears with 14x32 slicks. I ran a 1.43 60' time

 

[marleyskater420 5,000+ posts]

siiiiiiick ^

 

[MisterGrubbs 5,000+ posts]

Mmm...Skyline GTR

Yummay

 

[NJTStang11 10+ year member]

There is an excessive amount of rich stupid ricers on this site...

This comparison is for all the slow kids...

Let's say your not a rich snobby kid and you have $6k to play with. Ricer vs Domestic.

Ricer-

1990 CRX Clean Shell (No rusty POS)-$2k

JDM Motor + 5 Speed-$2.5k

Bolt ons (exhaust, intake, etc)-$1.5k

Times: 14.5

Domestic-

1990 Mustang GT Shell (Same, no rusty pos)-$2k

STOCK 5.0 Shortblock-$100

T5 *****-$400

Heads, Cam, Intake Setup-$2.5k

Bolt ons (same as ricers, except mustang bolt ons=cheaper)-$1k

Times: 12.0

Domestics just make more sense as they are meant to go fast, unlike hondas, etc.

Don't get me wrong there are very respecatble imports (Evo's, Supra's, 1g DSM Cars), but 95% of the import drivers give the rest a bad name.

 

[NJTStang11 10+ year member]

Where do you get 30% drivetrain loss? Most cars have 20-22% if its an auto and 15-17% if its manual. And it is definitely possible to run 10s in a 300 hp car that weighs 3000 lbs. I have seen a stock motor fox Mustang run 12.8x with suspension, DRs, and exhaust. It also weighed more than 3000, more like 3200-3300 with the driver. And these cars are rated at 225 from Ford but most dyno at 195-205 at the wheels.

Oh, and you sir please place the crackpipe down. A 300rwhp car weighing in at 3000 w. the driver wont run 10's...it'll be lucky to break 11's. Go do some more research before you post nonsense.

 

[99StangGt 10+ year member]

Get a dragstrip program and see if 300hp will power a car to 10s. according to my dragstrip dyno program i plugged in all the info for my nova and it told me 10.70s and the engine made 600hp. the car ran 10.50. 300hp wont get you near 10s, i figure maybe high 12s. so i guess all those 03, 04 cobra owners with 400hp are just crappy drivers if they cant get into the 9s //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

 

[NJTStang11 10+ year member]

Get a dragstrip program and see if 300hp will power a car to 10s. according to my dragstrip dyno program i plugged in all the info for my nova and it told me 10.70s and the engine made 600hp. the car ran 10.50. 300hp wont get you near 10s, i figure maybe high 12s. so i guess all those 03, 04 cobra owners with 400hp are just crappy drivers if they cant get into the 9s //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

300rwhp in a 3000lb car including driver is doable. My last car was around 300rwhp and weighed 3450 w/ driver and ran 12.7's. With the right suspension and a sticky tire, a 3000lb car can run 11's. 10's is a completely new story and way out of the question.

 

[marleyskater420 5,000+ posts]

There is an excessive amount of rich stupid ricers on this site...This comparison is for all the slow kids...

Let's say your not a rich snobby kid and you have $6k to play with. Ricer vs Domestic.

Ricer-

1990 CRX Clean Shell (No rusty POS)-$2k

JDM Motor + 5 Speed-$2.5k

Bolt ons (exhaust, intake, etc)-$1.5k

Times: 14.5

Domestic-

1990 Mustang GT Shell (Same, no rusty pos)-$2k

STOCK 5.0 Shortblock-$100

T5 *****-$400

Heads, Cam, Intake Setup-$2.5k

Bolt ons (same as ricers, except mustang bolt ons=cheaper)-$1k

Times: 12.0

Domestics just make more sense as they are meant to go fast, unlike hondas, etc.

Don't get me wrong there are very respecatble imports (Evo's, Supra's, 1g DSM Cars), but 95% of the import drivers give the rest a bad name.

Maybe I'm lost..but I don't think all the bolt-ons for a 5.0 will net 12.0 times.. UNLESS the car is gutted, which I will readily believe, because the 5.0 can be gutted to 2600lbs.

 

[Bartak1 10+ year member]

Pfft, my 99 F150 does 10's with a K&N sticker.