by no measn the best subs out there, but its ORION - and ORION used to (notice tense - i dont know what dei will do with them) make very good kit - the xtrs are good subs, although the hcca's are in another league altogether - but the hcca's are predominantly SPL as opposed to the xtr and xtr pro range which cdo a combination of sq/spl compared to the hcca rangeOriginally posted by ZmanTT i have 2 orion xtr 12" max wattage at 800 watts...are these subs n e good??