Another gain DMM thread

No capacitors needed. At all.

95% of diy-ers don't use o scopes to set gains, and less than 95% of diy-ers clip their speakers. All I'm saying is there are other ways to do it. Settle down

 
If i have to explain this you're stupid, and since i know you're an idiot, i'll just go ahead and explain it for you.
to see if you amp is clipping you turn your gain up until you see that your cap discharged and that's how you know your amp is clipping, when it suddenly draws a huge amount of current.
Why do you have to get a cap to do that? Why can't you use a DMM?

 
and i have never hooked subs up and playing in the 35-45 hz range on music with 10k+ watts my subs dont even get warm //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/fyi.gif.9f1f679348da7204ce960cfc74bca8e0.gif
clamp it, and tap an oscilloscope to the rca signal.... se what it's really doing

Jesus it's not that difficult as you guys are making it.
Play a 60 hz tone with your subs attached. Take your gain and turn it all the way down. Turn up until you reach the voltage you want (set conservatively until you get used to it).
this

If I see another FYI smiley I might kick and scream. Dmm method works perfectly fine.
Also whoever said you are clipping the amp when your voltage drops is mostly mistaken. While it can cause some amps to clip, this is mostly at extreme levels of voltage drop, below 10.5 volts. Otherwise your amp would clip whenever the car is off. My soundigital operates beautifully with 12 volts and the car running, no clipping whatsoever.

If you're really worried about blowing speakers give yourself a little headroom on your subs and then when your amp clips little bit your subs wont be harmed
you will kick and scream //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/fyi.gif.9f1f679348da7204ce960cfc74bca8e0.gif

and, yes, if you set it to,say, 35v, and then put a load on it, there will be rail sag, putting it under 30v. when you try to compensate, you can feed it a clipped signal, though the amp is not clipping. same can be said for "giving head room", but that's beside the point. what wwas said //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/fyi.gif.9f1f679348da7204ce960cfc74bca8e0.gif was not to adjust it below that point on the tone, because the settings are turned down (sub/bass) and, if you think there is no clipping playing the same high output with the car off, if it is set to the car on, then either you have it turned below what you could be getting, or you are mistaken. there is a big difference in rail voltage for every volt maintained in the supply. clipping, is quite simply, the fact that there is no more voltage to give to complete the wave.

about the hz, again, voltage output at lower tones is lower because of rail sag, not just because it's tuned down. i have physically measured the different points on the rails and seen this. a few times this week, actually. also, i don't know what station you listen too, but there is more music that i've heard 50-100hz, then below...... under 50hz songs is something you have to specifically look for, imho. and, yes, i listen to everything..... everything.

take a look at how compliance ratings (birthsheet specs) are measured. it is a rating of the point where clipping occurs, which is different at different voltages.

 
clamp it, and tap an oscilloscope to the rca signal.... se what it's really doing
this

you will kick and scream //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/fyi.gif.9f1f679348da7204ce960cfc74bca8e0.gif

and, yes, if you set it to,say, 35v, and then put a load on it, there will be rail sag, putting it under 30v. when you try to compensate, you can feed it a clipped signal, though the amp is not clipping. same can be said for "giving head room", but that's beside the point. what wwas said //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/fyi.gif.9f1f679348da7204ce960cfc74bca8e0.gif was not to adjust it below that point on the tone, because the settings are turned down (sub/bass) and, if you think there is no clipping playing the same high output with the car off, if it is set to the car on, then either you have it turned below what you could be getting, or you are mistaken. there is a big difference in rail voltage for every volt maintained in the supply. clipping, is quite simply, the fact that there is no more voltage to give to complete the wave.

about the hz, again, voltage output at lower tones is lower because of rail sag, not just because it's tuned down. i have physically measured the different points on the rails and seen this. a few times this week, actually. also, i don't know what station you listen too, but there is more music that i've heard 50-100hz, then below...... under 50hz songs is something you have to specifically look for, imho. and, yes, i listen to everything..... everything.

take a look at how compliance ratings (birthsheet specs) are measured. it is a rating of the point where clipping occurs, which is different at different voltages.
That's some very intense info, thank you. I think it's a little too much for the average installer though lol

 
Those who diss the dmm method please read this :
GlassWolf's Pages
Awsome tutorial from someone who dosen't even know what the difference is between a true RMS meter and a $15 meter... //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif

This thread has reached a whole new level of stupid.... a very special thanks goes out to snadrojorter for his contribution...

 
Glasswolf is a very skilled and reputable installer. One of the more knowledgeable guys on forums about general car audio.
Then send him to this thread and have him explain to me why you shouldn't have a load hooked to your amp while setting gains with a DMM //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif

I often wonder where the stupid on the internet comes from... in this case it seems to stem from a JL tutorial made for JL Audio audio amplifiers which some people think can be extrapolated to every amp in the universe... someone with an engineering background should know better... of course he also readily uses the misnomer 'RMS watts' which a real engineer wouldn't use either... tisk tisk tisk...

 
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