American Muscle or Japanese Tuner?

[dman4486 5,000+ posts]

what you are saying does go the other way as well. An engine with a larger displacement will not always put out more power than a smaller engine. horsepower is torque x RPM / 5252, you can increase the torque or the rpm side of that equation to build power, but only one side will guarantee added weight.

you have a lot to learn about motors.

per your example read the following.

http://www.f1technical.net/articles/4

and take note to the comparison to "road" motors

and be aware that as the motor size goes down, the ability to produce torque decreases and thus rpm must be higher to make up the difference. Now start including compression ratio and VE comparison's across the differing motors.

 

[norcrawler 10+ year member]

japanese pos rice? as in honda civic?lol

or we talkin a tt 3rd gen rx7, 300zx tt,mk5 supras,nsx's,skylines?

casue theres a BIG difference.and i would take any of those over a muscle car

 

[sexiewasd 10+ year member]

I really don't understand how your link is helping prove your point, please spell it out for me.

It's not like people don't successfully build engines to increase their red line for more power. It is a quite common practice. You even said that your truck with a larger engine puts more power to the road than most imports, that proves that fact that you aren't even paying attention to what I am trying to explain to you. Your truck, more power or not is probably a lot slower than most of those imports in every aspect other than in a straight line, just like the f1 from my link would loose a 1/4 mile drag to a lot of cars, but those cars are absolutely useless in every other part of the world that isn't a 1/4 mile long tar strip, and no I'm not arguing for the practicality of a f1 car.

Anyway I need sleep now, I have to work tomorrow.

 

[wErd 5,000+ posts]

I really don't understand how your link is helping prove your point, please spell it out for me.
It's not like people don't successfully build engines to increase their red line for more power. It is a quite common practice. You even said that your truck with a larger engine puts more power to the road than most imports, that proves that fact that you aren't even paying attention to what I am trying to explain to you. Your truck, more power or not is probably a lot slower than most of those imports in every aspect other than in a straight line, just like the f1 from my link would loose a 1/4 mile drag to a lot of cars, but those cars are absolutely useless in every other part of the world that isn't a 1/4 mile long tar strip, and no I'm not arguing for the practicality of a f1 car.

Anyway I need sleep now, I have to work tomorrow.

You're trying to argue the point of horsepower in small motors and somehow try to tie that into how a car handles.... You really do need to go to sleep

 

[Grinder1989 5,000+ posts]

what you are saying does go the other way as well. An engine with a larger displacement will not always put out more power than a smaller engine. horsepower is torque x RPM / 5252, you can increase the torque or the rpm side of that equation to build power, but only one side will guarantee added weight.

Horsepower can be increased by RPM at the expense of torque. There's more to it then that formula.

 

[wErd 5,000+ posts]

I really don't understand how your link is helping prove your point, please spell it out for me.
It's not like people don't successfully build engines to increase their red line for more power. It is a quite common practice. You even said that your truck with a larger engine puts more power to the road than most imports, that proves that fact that you aren't even paying attention to what I am trying to explain to you. Your truck, more power or not is probably a lot slower than most of those imports in every aspect other than in a straight line, just like the f1 from my link would loose a 1/4 mile drag to a lot of cars, but those cars are absolutely useless in every other part of the world that isn't a 1/4 mile long tar strip, and no I'm not arguing for the practicality of a f1 car.

Anyway I need sleep now, I have to work tomorrow.

Have you ever driven a turbo diesel truck?

 

[yne721 10+ year member]

america stopped making cars i care about in the mid 60's. there are of course a FEW exceptions, like early 90's impala SS, and just weird cars here and there, but for the most part, american muscle is played out for me and i'm sick of seeing it.

i would much rather wake up and look out in my driveway and see this everyday as opposed to a big ugly muscle car.

but one of my dream cars is a 61 continental convertible

 

[dustinr 10+ year member]

Nissan GT-R, so I guess Japanese Tuner ^ agree with above.. American muscle is played out.

 

[sexiewasd 10+ year member]

You're trying to argue the point of horsepower in small motors and somehow try to tie that into how a car handles.... You really do need to go to sleep

Have you ever driven a turbo diesel truck?

Alright I'll summarize what I was saying, then I'm done with this thread.

Big engine != fast

and yes I have driven a turbo diesel, It had a pretty impressive amount of pull in it, but being a big *** truck, no it wasn't anywhere near the level of a performance vehicle at all.

I'll end this by saying that muscle cars have so much wrong with them from a performance aspect that it's not even funny, but I am in no way trying to say that civics are a fast car. I have just as big of a gripe with people that think they are as I do with people that think their truck is.

 

[HellsRise 10+ year member]

American every single day.

That's not to say I wouldn't drive ITALIAN, as well.

Not a big fan of Jap Crap.

 

[Grinder1989 5,000+ posts]

I'd drive them all. I'm a huge Ferrari fan. I don't think about even owning one because of how expensive they are though.