American Muscle or Japanese Tuner?

[sandt38 10+ year member]

The Toyota engine has nothing in common with any Toyota production engine. Toyota has NO pushrod engines, and has never had a pushrod V engine. It is very similar to the other manufactures' NASCAR engines which are far closer to their modern or previous engines. Toyota had access to the other 3 manufactures engines during the design phase, and used their designs to build their own motor.

And boy, I sure am glad I don't own a Corvette.

Yep cause 18 is really fucking old, oh and I am a raging queer btw

I meant that you liked riding mopeds and fat chicks, but if you want to make that admission, we are all here for you, bro. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

 

[sexiewasd 10+ year member]

there is a reason why the fastest/quickest cars in the world do not run small motors:fyi:

They are only fast in a strait line, which is pointless imo.

Building a motor to run at a higher rpm is a **** good replacement for displacement.

 

[IamDeMan 5,000+ posts]

BTW....I just ordered 3 spoon engines, t66 turbo with nos and a MoTeC system exhaust

MAH SPOON ES TOO BIG!

 

[IamDeMan 5,000+ posts]

They are only fast in a strait line, which is pointless imo.

Ignorance at it's finest.

BTW, is it like the Bering strait or the straits of Magellan?

 

[Anthony Collova 10+ year member]

If the question is between american muscle fo the 1960-70s or new Japanese tuners. I would easily take the old American muscle cars.

New American muscle blows and new tuners are ugly and obnoxious.

I much prefer the exotics...

 

[Anthony Collova 10+ year member]

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or at a minimum

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[sexiewasd 10+ year member]

Ignorance at it's finest.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ceX5Wk-zSY

Show me american muscle that can do this.

That is 2.4L btw.

 

[dman4486 5,000+ posts]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ceX5Wk-zSY
Show me american muscle that can do this.

That is 2.4L btw.

lol....nice production car

and you missed the point of the f1 motor.

it is more cyls and a shorter stroke. The shorter the stroke the more rpm you can produce.

Now try reading f1 motor restrictions and get back to us when you realize what you have posted

 

[wErd 5,000+ posts]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ceX5Wk-zSY
Show me american muscle that can do this.

That is 2.4L btw.

Lemans corvette c6r???

 

[dman4486 5,000+ posts]

Lemans corvette c6r???

won't keep up with the formula 1 cars in a corner.....Formula 1 is a purpose built cornering machine

 

[wErd 5,000+ posts]

won't keep up with the formula 1 cars in a corner.....Formula 1 is a purpose built cornering machine

I know but that corvette owns everything in it's class.

 

[sexiewasd 10+ year member]

lol....nice production car
and you missed the point of the f1 motor.

it is more cyls and a shorter stroke. The shorter the stroke the more rpm you can produce.

Now try reading f1 motor restrictions and get back to us when you realize what you have posted

I am aware of the restrictions, and no I didn't miss the point of f1 engine design. I was using it as an example of how building an engine for higher rpm is a replacement for displacement, it is how formula one cars are some of the fastest cars on a circuit despite the regulations.

It just gets on my nerves when people assume that a big engine is the best engine, displacement takes a back seat to rpm and weight (and weight distribution) when it comes to making a car fast, people also completely ignore a cars ability to brake quickly when considering what makes a car faster than another.

It is thinking like this that allows Harley Davidson to keep pumping out crap bikes that are slow as ****, yet people assume they are top notch because they are big and loud, but at the end of the day it's still just 40hp pushing 600lb of crap down the road.

You are right that the f1 wasn't really a fair comparison though.

 

[Grinder1989 5,000+ posts]

I was using it as an example of how building an engine for higher rpm is a replacement for displacement, it is how formula one cars are some of the fastest cars on a circuit despite the regulations.

That is by far, the dumbest reasoning I've ever read regarding engines. Just because an engine car rev higher does not simply equate to more power. Most Jap cars out rev my truck but I still put more power to the ground. Why? Because of displacement. I don't care what kind of engine it is, when you increase displacement, you will always increase power. Displacement is basically the key to power. I'm not stating that it is the only way to make power, but there is nothing that can top adding more cubic inches. If you built a 350 and a 383 with all the same parts on top (heads, pistons, intake, carb.....etc.) the 383 will put out more power. Just because an engine can rev high does mean it has a ton of power either.

 

[dman4486 5,000+ posts]

I am aware of the restrictions, and no I didn't miss the point of f1 engine design. I was using it as an example of how building an engine for higher rpm is a replacement for displacement, it is how formula one cars are some of the fastest cars on a circuit despite the regulations.
It just gets on my nerves when people assume that a big engine is the best engine, displacement takes a back seat to rpm and weight (and weight distribution) when it comes to making a car fast, people also completely ignore a cars ability to brake quickly when considering what makes a car faster than another.

It is thinking like this that allows Harley Davidson to keep pumping out crap bikes that are slow as ****, yet people assume they are top notch because they are big and loud, but at the end of the day it's still just 40hp pushing 600lb of crap down the road.

You are right that the f1 wasn't really a fair comparison though.

Read the previous post, then

harley makes motors that produce over 80hp and they have bikes that excede 1000 lbs.

They are not slow, and they were not built to be fast:fyi:

 

[sexiewasd 10+ year member]

That is by far, the dumbest reasoning I've ever read regarding engines. Just because an engine car rev higher does not simply equate to more power. Most Jap cars out rev my truck but I still put more power to the ground. Why? Because of displacement. I don't care what kind of engine it is, when you increase displacement, you will always increase power. Displacement is basically the key to power. I'm not stating that it is the only way to make power, but there is nothing that can top adding more cubic inches. If you built a 350 and a 383 with all the same parts on top (heads, pistons, intake, carb.....etc.) the 383 will put out more power. Just because an engine can rev high does mean it has a ton of power either.

what you are saying does go the other way as well. An engine with a larger displacement will not always put out more power than a smaller engine. horsepower is torque x RPM / 5252, you can increase the torque or the rpm side of that equation to build power, but only one side will guarantee added weight.