Alpine Type-R - Let Down By It

[chartman18 10+ year member]

Well, I finally got around to putting my Type-R in a single 12" custom 2.5cu.ft. at 32hz box with a Hifonics BXi 1606D amplifier. It sounds great with quality...but thats it. I was let down by the bass. I had to turn it up to 25-30 out of 45 on my volume to achieve where my 2 P1's were almost at with the P1's maxed out on gains and such. Im thinking about getting another Type-R or just a SPL subwoofer for bass. I have all the quality I want, now I just think I want bass. The Type-R I have now is firing into the cabin, seats down, whole car Dynamat'd, and when I get outside to test the bass/loudness, I was let down compared to the P1's I had. I could actually hear the P1's bass outside the car. I know I sound like a noob praising the P1's, but Im not praising that piece of shit (P1's). I just expected to have alot of bass too. So I guess some people were right about it being a Hype-R. And again, Im not bashing the Type-R, I love it for the quality and such, but I just cant help think if it will be better in a sealed box, bc the P1's were in a sealed, 1.25 enclosure each woofer, and it wanged with settings maxed (didnt care for them, so I maxed the gains) and each only puts out 300 watts max. This Type-R is powered by a amp that puts out around 900-1100 watts RMS i think, 2-ohms.

Does anyone think Ill get more bass with a sealed enclosure? If so, Ill do that till I get another subwoofer, probably a 10-12 inch SPL woofer. Whats your opinions?

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[tommyk90 5,000+ posts]

Doubt you are getting that kind of power at 2 ohms. In most circumstances you would be lucky to get that kind of power at 1 ohm out of that amp in a normal setting.

My first advice to you would be to try a different box. And get a dual 2 ohm sub and wire the amp down to 1 ohm.

 

[j3bus2k3 5,000+ posts]

Well, I finally got around to putting my Type-R in a single 12" custom 2.5cu.ft. at 32hz box with a Hifonics BXi 1606D amplifier. It sounds great with quality...but thats it. I was let down by the bass. I had to turn it up to 25-30 out of 45 on my volume to achieve where my 2 P1's were almost at with the P1's maxed out on gains and such. Im thinking about getting another Type-R or just a SPL subwoofer for bass. I have all the quality I want, now I just think I want bass. The Type-R I have now is firing into the cabin, seats down, whole car Dynamat'd, and when I get outside to test the bass/loudness, I was let down compared to the P1's I had. I could actually hear the P1's bass outside the car. I know I sound like a noob praising the P1's, but Im not praising that piece of shit (P1's). I just expected to have alot of bass too. So I guess some people were right about it being a Hype-R. And again, Im not bashing the Type-R, I love it for the quality and such, but I just cant help think if it will be better in a sealed box, bc the P1's were in a sealed, 1.25 enclosure each woofer, and it wanged with settings maxed (didnt care for them, so I maxed the gains) and each only puts out 300 watts max. This Type-R is powered by a amp that puts out around 900-1100 watts RMS i think, 2-ohms.
Does anyone think Ill get more bass with a sealed enclosure? If so, Ill do that till I get another subwoofer, probably a 10-12 inch SPL woofer. Whats your opinions?

So you went from 2 sub, to 1 sub and expected to be in awe? Yo sir, expected wayy too much. Check your wiring on the jumpers and make sure your gains are optimal? Did you change any settings on the headunit? Any number of factors could explain why you dont think htere is enough bass...

 

[yacob.naif 10+ year member]

It's the hifonics.

Those amps are mushy as hell, nobody wants to believe me.

I don't know if hifonics used to be decent or whatever, but my bxi2006d was absolute dogshit.

I could just crank the gain, HOPING AND PRAYING for something to catch fire, blow up, cook, but for god's sake be loud for a second 1st, but the thing didn't even pull my idle voltage below 14.7.......... and i have a low idle-ampere alternator.

 

[chartman18 10+ year member]

So you went from 2 sub, to 1 sub and expected to be in awe? Yo sir, expected wayy too much. Check your wiring on the jumpers and make sure your gains are optimal? Did you change any settings on the headunit? Any number of factors could explain why you dont think htere is enough bass...

Well, the P1's, what can I say, they were shitty beginners subs at 150 RMS watts each, of course I was going to expect something amazing with a single subwoofer thats putting out alot more RMS than 2 P1's.

My friend says he double-checked to make sure the sub was wired in 2-ohms, and everything is tip-top.

Anybody else? Hmm.

EDIT: I just realized this was in the speakers forum....shoot..I meant the subwoofers.

 

[yacob.naif 10+ year member]

Does your voltage even drop? Do your lights dim?

Anything that might make you think that amp is putting out any kind of serious power?

 

[chartman18 10+ year member]

I dont really know if my volts drop when the car is on, I havent checked that. (Too cold outside) And my lights do dim slightly when its on when I drive.

 

[j3bus2k3 5,000+ posts]

I dont mean to knock your friend but it would be very easy to confuse wiring if he didn't know what he was doing or didn't reference the manual...that would be a night and day difference...

 

[dleccord 5,000+ posts]

what box were those p1s in?

 

[chartman18 10+ year member]

EDIT: My bad, you said P1's. They were in a dual 12" sealed, 1.25cu.ft. each. It gave me the kind of bass I wanted where people hear me coming down the street. With my Type-R, I cant really get that at all.

 

[dleccord 5,000+ posts]

where's your gains now? all the way up?

 

[chartman18 10+ year member]

I dont mean to knock your friend but it would be very easy to confuse wiring if he didn't know what he was doing or didn't reference the manual...that would be a night and day difference...

He actually would most likely be the one to read a manual first over me. So, even though I trust him, I did the wiring on the amp, and we both double-checked everything before starting it. Its all hooked up right. Just the subwoofer...I dont know, seems bland. Of course, people on here hype it up and got me into buying one. Any recommendations on box designs, ported/sealed? Another subwoofer mainly that puts out more bass/loudness?

 

[chartman18 10+ year member]

where's your gains now? all the way up?

The Hifonics amp's gain, is at 50%.

Why do you ask?

 

[azimuth 5,000+ posts]

the type r's may be hyped a little much, but they are a decent sub. 2 sealed bounce quarters off my roof, so they have a little wang. they are definitely not the loudest thing out there, but i have been fairly satisfied. something is wrong somewhere. i'd check the power and ground and make sure you have the amped powered sufficiently. what guage running to the amp?

 

[dleccord 5,000+ posts]

The Hifonics amp's gain, is at 50%.Why do you ask?

you said your P1s were all the way up right?