9/11 was an inside job

Since I've never demolished a building I can't comment on that.
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These pictures of molten steel and apparently cut girders are interesting though.

As far as civilians employed at the towers, not many survived and there have been more than a few survivors that have come out pointing out inconsistancies in the official story.

Just saying, my bullshit detector went off over a lot of the inconsistancies in the official story and some of the more outrageous claims (the "hijacker's" passports floating out of the building and being found on the streets was my favorite).

The troop buildup in the gulf prior to the events, the quick removal of evidence from the scene, and general coverup and failure to investigate things all suggest there's more going on than we're told and whatever it is would be rather embarrasing for some very important people.

As I said before I don't claim to know what happened but I know when I'm being lied to.
ok...

first, not too many civilian employees survived? do you know what the daily capacity of the twin towers was? a HELL of alot more than 3000.

there's always going to be inconsistancies in any official story... because, no matter how good of witnesses you have, everybody will remember the same event a lil bit differently.

they only found one of the hijackeers passports... and even that was half charred... doesnt seem too inconcievable to me.

there was no troop build up in the gulf prior to these events... we have had troops in the gulf since before the first gulf war... and their numbers stayed pretty consistent before 9/11... i was active duty for 2 years before 9/11, and in just that 2 years, i was deployed to the gulf twice... not due to a "build up"... but just normal rotation.

 
i wrote a report at school on the conspiracy on 911. now i know some of u think its ****. but maybe u should listen to his and actually see the proof in this...

thermite... im sure everyone here knows what this is.. i didnt read the whole 6 pages of this thread so i dont know what was said and unsaid so im just going to post this up anyway... thermite was found at the site of the world trade center on the day of 911. now there is only a couple of ways thermite can be made. thermite is an extremely hot burning molten metal. thermite will burn through just about anything. to make thermite u need powdered or granular aluminum metal and powdered iron oxide. now tell me that the trade centers just had this laying around and ready to use... doubt it

and another reason to call bs on this being a terrorist attact... when u watched the video on 911 did u see an explosion on the towers before the plane even hit? heres the video. im not saying its not modified but its definatly something u need to see


 
have you guys actually researched any of this.. or are you just going off of what you saw on loose change.... you didnt read through the whole thread, so i'll make this point again.

history channel did a 2 hour special, de-bunking the majority of the "truthers" claims... including thermite. they took a regular steel beam, and used thermite on it, to see what it would do... it flashed away quickly, and barely touched the surface of the steel, let alone cut through it..

and yea... that video is out.. but do you realize how much air pressure would be created when something as large as the twin towers collapse on their selves... more than enough to easily blow out windows, debri, and whatever else was in the path of the falling building.

 

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and also there was suppose to be a big meeting in the towers the day of the meeting for the fbi and it was cancelled and they were given the day off... hmm seems suspicious
proof???

 
here is a REAL video, based on scientific data, engineers, designer, and architechs... this was one of the simulations used by history to show the damage sustained on the twin towers, and show how a jetliner hitting the buildings can easily bring them down

[video=youtube;cjq-yK2ak_U]

 
I like proof. Whoever can prove the most to me is going to sway my opinion. Zeitgeist was a real eye opener, albeit difficult to trust. Atm, there are too many things that need to be debunked for me to believe it wasn't setup.

 
Here's what critics said about zeitgiest "film has been praised by some for being "compellingly edited" and "a film", it has also been criticized for factual inaccuracies, and the quality of its arguments. Keep that in mind.

 
All the talk about 9/11 conspiracies is pretty disrespectful to all the people that died that day. You should be paying respect to the fire fighters that risked their lives and all the innocent people that died. It seems like everybody forgot about all the people that died and just focused on all this conspiracy nonsense.

 
"Back in April 2002, over nine years ago, Pieczenik told the Alex Jones Show that Bin Laden had already been “dead for months,” and that the government was waiting for the most politically expedient time to roll out his corpse. Pieczenik would be in a position to know, having personally met Bin Laden and worked with him during the proxy war against the Soviets in Afghanistan back in the early 80′s.
Pieczenik said that Osama Bin Laden died in 2001, “Not because special forces had killed him, but because as a physician I had known that the CIA physicians had treated him and it was on the intelligence roster that he had marfan syndrome,” adding that the US government knew Bin Laden was dead before they invaded Afghanistan."

Hmmmm.....If this is a legit, scholarly source, then yeah...
Two major concerns over this theory. One, if he truly died all those years ago, it would have been beneficial for Bush' administration to say he was dead. He, and Republicans in general, received a major black eye, for several years, for allowing Bin Laden to escape justice. So I find it hard to believe they knew he was dead, but didnt tell the public, because they were waiting for some politically beneficial time to say he died.

And two, yesterday Al Qaeda officially announced/confirmed Bin Laden died in this weeks raid of the compound in Pakistan. If he didn't die this week, why would they say he did? If he really died years ago, why wouldn't they continue to deny his death for the same reasons they apparently denied it up until now? Saying he died 10 years later was not beneficial for US politics, let alone for both US AND Al Qaeda politics simultaneously. Do I believe that conspiracy theory is possible? Yes. But its likelihood is very very low, imo.

Since I've never demolished a building I can't comment on that.
WTC_Molten_Steel_Collage_400.jpg


These pictures of molten steel and apparently cut girders are interesting though.

As far as civilians employed at the towers, not many survived and there have been more than a few survivors that have come out pointing out inconsistancies in the official story.

Just saying, my bullshit detector went off over a lot of the inconsistancies in the official story and some of the more outrageous claims (the "hijacker's" passports floating out of the building and being found on the streets was my favorite).

The troop buildup in the gulf prior to the events, the quick removal of evidence from the scene, and general coverup and failure to investigate things all suggest there's more going on than we're told and whatever it is would be rather embarrasing for some very important people.

As I said before I don't claim to know what happened but I know when I'm being lied to.
Its estimated that between 16,000 and 17,000 people were working in the towers the morning of the attack. In that time between the initial attacks and the subsequent collapse of the towers, thousands of people were evacuating. Contrary to what you might believe, *most* people there that day, survived. More than enough people to make for a realistic group of witnesses to this pre-planned demolition of the building that conspiracists believe existed.

Ive never demolished a building before either, but common sense tells us that as the towers collapse on themselves, there will be explosions and/or breaking glass on levels just below the floors that are currently collapsing. So when looking at a video that appears to show charges being set off on the lower levels as the collapse occurs, its seems obvious (to me) that this is most likely simply from the added pressure of the collapsing structure above crushing the lower levels.

As I said before, in a scene of destruction like occurred at WTC, I would be surprised NOT to find molten metal, cut beams, etc. Finding these things after the fact might lead one to investigate the possibility you are suggesting, but again not one witness Im aware has come forward to suggest anything resembling a demolishing crew was seen on the site previous to the attack on 9/11.

I agree however that things dont all seem to add up perfectly. But then, \in a crisis of this magnitude, its hard to imagine a scenario in which all the puzzle pieces would fit together precisely. The 'fog of war', the 'fog of politics', and the 'fog of classified information' involved in this giant mess would surely cloud many details and seem to create inconsistencies much like we've found at the site. Remember, this is the first time in history that planes were used to attack skyscrapers, the first time in history skyscrapers of this size failed in this manner, and the first time in history the US faced such a dilemma. Again, Im not at all surprised inconsistencies exist. I would be more surprised (and concerned) if all the evidence wrapped up into one nice neat package to feed to the public. THAT is usually when we are being lied to.

 
All the talk about 9/11 conspiracies is pretty disrespectful to all the people that died that day. You should be paying respect to the fire fighters that risked their lives and all the innocent people that died. It seems like everybody forgot about all the people that died and just focused on all this conspiracy nonsense.
As much as I tend to disagree with the conspiracists, I do not agree they are being disrespectful to the people who died. If I died there, Id want people to find out the truth about how/why I died. The people claiming these conspiracies believe in them, and think they are exposing the truth, I dont see any disrespect in that.

I doubt anyone here, on either side of the discussion, has forgotten about the people who died, the sacrifices they made, and the heroism so many of them showed in their final moments. But I do agree its a good idea to remind ourselves of this once in a while, to pay our respects to them. I sat and watched the events of 911 unfold, live on television, the day it happened. I watched the still-alive people falling to their deaths from the towers on live tv, only to have the news people apologize moments later for showing the footage. I wont ever forget watching live people falling from the sky like rain. Absolutely horrifying memory.

 
I can't find it at the moment. But I watched a documentary about how the twin towers were actually designed and built to withstand a plane hitting them.

Yes there are a lot of falsities about the conspiracy, but are you one of those people that jump on the bandwagon of the "proof" of the debunkers just the same as the conspiracy theorists do on their side? It's easy to show stuff and make it appear to make sense, for either side. Unless you have FACTS, you have nothing. Fact is a word I feel gets thrown around too much. Definition of fact: something that actually exists; reality; truth. A fact is something proven to be true, NOT something that makes sense or is logical and believed by many. The issue is, we don't know what the facts truly are. Who knows if any of the quotes from the people are true unless it was captured on video? It's all hearsay really.

Both sides of this argument is looking for personal gain in proving their side, not proving the truth.

 
I can't find it at the moment. But I watched a documentary about how the twin towers were actually designed and built to withstand a plane hitting them. Yes there are a lot of falsities about the conspiracy, but are you one of those people that jump on the bandwagon of the "proof" of the debunkers just the same as the conspiracy theorists do on their side? It's easy to show stuff and make it appear to make sense, for either side. Unless you have FACTS, you have nothing. Fact is a word I feel gets thrown around too much. Definition of fact: something that actually exists; reality; truth. A fact is something proven to be true, NOT something that makes sense or is logical and believed by many. The issue is, we don't know what the facts truly are. Who knows if any of the quotes from the people are true unless it was captured on video? It's all hearsay really.

Both sides of this argument is looking for personal gain in proving their side, not proving the truth.
To play devil's advocate here, I have no dog in this hunt. I want to find the truth. It wont hurt me personally, politically, or otherwise, to find the govt DID commit this crime. And Id bet most people here are in the same boat.

But I do agree that people tend to confuse 'facts' with 'conclusions'. A fact, in and of itself, rarely proves a theory. Only when viewing all the known facts, and placing them in the proper context, can one form a logical and educated conclusion. I dont claim to be an expert on this topic, and Im open to listening to theories from either side. but as it stands now, imo the vast majority of evidence points to a lack of a conspiracy by our govt. Frankly, Im not even sure what motivation is being given as to why our govt would allow this to happen, let alone MADE it happen. This is not Pearl Harbor where the govt was looking for a reason to get into a war, we weren't even completely sure who to attack when it initially went down.

I do suspect our govt knew about the Pearl Harbor attack in advance, if that gives any insight into my ability to believe conspiracies against our govt.

 
As much as I tend to disagree with the conspiracists, I do not agree they are being disrespectful to the people who died. If I died there, Id want people to find out the truth about how/why I died. The people claiming these conspiracies believe in them, and think they are exposing the truth, I dont see any disrespect in that.
I doubt anyone here, on either side of the discussion, has forgotten about the people who died, the sacrifices they made, and the heroism so many of them showed in their final moments. But I do agree its a good idea to remind ourselves of this once in a while, to pay our respects to them. I sat and watched the events of 911 unfold, live on television, the day it happened. I watched the still-alive people falling to their deaths from the towers on live tv, only to have the news people apologize moments later for showing the footage. I wont ever forget watching live people falling from the sky like rain. Absolutely horrifying memory.
They can believe in whatever they want but when it gets to the point that everybody is talking about conspiracies more than honoring all the victims of that day I find it disrespectful. I feel the best thing we can do is honor all those people, not fuss and debate over some conspiracy.

 
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