9/11 was an inside job

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

They can believe in whatever they want but when it gets to the point that everybody is talking about conspiracies more than honoring all the victims of that day I find it disrespectful. I feel the best thing we can do is honor all those people, not fuss and debate over some conspiracy.

Why cant we do both? Why can we not have a discussion about the conspiracy theories that does not disrespect the fallen? When Democrats talk about the haliburton conspiracies, does that disrespect the people who have died in Iraq? When people talk about the conspiracy theory that the govt knew about Pearl Harbor in advance, does that disrepect the people who died that day? Is the only way to respect them is to shut about it and believe whatever we are told? Not imo. This is simply a discussion about a topic outside the realm of the people who died on 911.

 

[Slayerx 10+ year member]

To play devil's advocate here, I have no dog in this hunt. I want to find the truth. It wont hurt me personally, politically, or otherwise, to find the govt DID commit this crime. And Id bet most people here are in the same boat.
But I do agree that people tend to confuse 'facts' with 'conclusions'. A fact, in and of itself, rarely proves a theory. Only when viewing all the known facts, and placing them in the proper context, can one form a logical and educated conclusion. I dont claim to be an expert on this topic, and Im open to listening to theories from either side. but as it stands now, imo the vast majority of evidence points to a lack of a conspiracy by our govt. Frankly, Im not even sure what motivation is being given as to why our govt would allow this to happen, let alone MADE it happen. This is not Pearl Harbor where the govt was looking for a reason to get into a war, we weren't even completely sure who to attack when it initially went down.

I do suspect our govt knew about the Pearl Harbor attack in advance, if that gives any insight into my ability to believe conspiracies against our govt.

I get ya. My point was where are we, the people getting our facts? From the people that wants to believe and prove their own theory, mostly.

Our sources of information are plentiful, but which ones are accurate? Whether it be simple misquoting of someone, or purposefully altering documents etc. there's always a doubt if we're aren't getting facts from a neutral source.

As far as why our government would allow this to happen? Who knows. Why do we send millions of dollars to other countries to feed them when we have our own starving children needing medical care? Why are we allowing illegals to get drivers licenses and take my tax money to eat and go to college, so they can get high paying jobs, and send all their money back to their home country? Don't mean to get OT, but our country makes no sense, and makes bad decisions, and is open about it, so who know what they are keeping from us.

 

[LazyRider 10+ year member]

Why cant we do both? Why can we not have a discussion about the conspiracy theories that does not disrespect the fallen? When Democrats talk about the haliburton conspiracies, does that disrespect the people who have died in Iraq? When people talk about the conspiracy theory that the govt knew about Pearl Harbor in advance, does that disrepect the people who died that day? Is the only way to respect them is to shut about it and believe whatever we are told? Not imo. This is simply a discussion about a topic outside the realm of the people who died on 911.

People can believe whatever they're told but I feel in general things are getting to a point of disrespect. Go out to D.C. and see how many people are handing out pamphlets honoring those who died on 9/11 and compare it to the crazies out there talking about how it was a conspiracy and all that. I don't see the point in arguing about it. If it's proven that the government was responsible then what? All those people are still dead. The government having involvement wouldn't change anything. I don't see how debating over a conspiracy will help anything.

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

People can believe whatever they're told but I feel in general things are getting to a point of disrespect. Go out to D.C. and see how many people are handing out pamphlets honoring those who died on 9/11 and compare it to the crazies out there talking about how it was a conspiracy and all that. I don't see the point in arguing about it. If it's proven that the government was responsible then what? All those people are still dead. The government having involvement wouldn't change anything. I don't see how debating over a conspiracy will help anything.

Im not trying to be argumentative, because this subject is one of pure opinion, and you have a right to yours. I just find it hard to understand how you would feel, if you were murdered, that someone searching for the true killer would somehow disrespect you and/or your death.

As for the number of people handing out pamphlets, I dont feel that is a fair litmus test for what people feel is the over all important events of that day. Im sure the people handing out those conspiracy pamphlets would tell you that they highly respect the people who died that day, and its only that respect that has urged these people to make the effort to find out, and make public, the truth. If Al Qeada had knocked down an abandoned building, you would not see people standing in the streets of DC handling out pamphlets about it 10 years later. In the end, the 3000 deaths are exactly why so much controversy exists to this day, BECAUSE all those deaths were such a profound importance.

 

[LazyRider 10+ year member]

Im not trying to be argumentative, because this subject is one of pure opinion, and you have a right to yours. I just find it hard to understand how you would feel, if you were murdered, that someone searching for the true killer would somehow disrespect you and/or your death.
As for the number of people handing out pamphlets, I dont feel that is a fair litmus test for what people feel is the over all important events of that day. Im sure the people handing out those conspiracy pamphlets would tell you that they highly respect the people who died that day, and its only that respect that has urged these people to make the effort to find out, and make public, the truth. If Al Qeada had knocked down an abandoned building, you would not see people standing in the streets of DC handling out pamphlets about it 10 years later. In the end, the 3000 deaths are exactly why so much controversy exists to this day, BECAUSE all those deaths were such a profound importance.

Meh, to each his own. I don't believe in all the conspiracy stuff, and I think it's more important to honor those people who died than to look for some conspiracy. If you look hard enough you'll find anything you want to. But my question is, if you discover whatever it is you were looking for, then what?

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

Meh, to each his own. I don't believe in all the conspiracy stuff, and I think it's more important to honor those people who died than to look for some conspiracy. If you look hard enough you'll find anything you want to. But my question is, if you discover whatever it is you were looking for, then what?

Again I fail to see how you conclude that finding the truth is so unimportant. I think Ive made it clear Im very doubtful of the 911 conspiracies, but I feel the friends and family of the people who died there deserve to know the truth, if they dont already. Im completely in agreement with you that the most important thing that occurred that day was not a conspiracy, a plane crash, or the victory of our enemies... the most important fact of that day is the death of each and every individual. I just fail to correlate looking for the truth with disrespecting those who died. But again, you are welcome to your opinion. Im not trying to change it here, merely understand it.

Then what you ask..? Then you bring the guilty to justice. Did I really need explain this?

 

[LazyRider 10+ year member]

Again I fail to see how you conclude that finding the truth is so unimportant. I think Ive made it clear Im very doubtful of the 911 conspiracies, but I feel the friends and family of the people who died there deserve to know the truth, if they dont already. Im completely in agreement with you that the most important thing that occurred that day was not a conspiracy, a plane crash, or the victory of our enemies... the most important fact of that day is the death of each and every individual. I just fail to correlate looking for the truth with disrespecting those who died. But again, you are welcome to your opinion. Im not trying to change it here, merely understand it.
Then what you ask..? Then you bring the guilty to justice. Did I really need explain this?

If the people forming the conspiracies were people who actually lost people on 9/11 who actually feel that there was something fishy going on that would be a different story. But a lot of it comes from random people on the internet who want to get a rise out of people, and paranoid people that always look for conspiracies.

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

If the people forming the conspiracies were people who actually lost people on 9/11 who actually feel that there was something fishy going on that would be a different story. But a lot of it comes from random people on the internet who want to get a rise out of people, and paranoid people that always look for conspiracies.

Then the people you are angry at are the trolls, not all people who discuss the conspiracy theories. Im discussing the conspiracies here, that certainly doesn't mean I downplay the tragedies of so many people dying that day.

I think this tangent has played itself out.

 

[Suicide Bobb 5,000+ posts]

All the talk about 9/11 conspiracies is pretty disrespectful to all the people that died that day. You should be paying respect to the fire fighters that risked their lives and all the innocent people that died. It seems like everybody forgot about all the people that died and just focused on all this conspiracy nonsense.

I disagree completely. It's not disrespectful at all to them. Whether they died because of the government or because of the terrorists does not hide the fact that they died. It's people like you (and I'm not insulting you, you my homie lazy) that can't open their minds to the idea of 9/11 being a conspiracy because they somehow have it in their minds that it's disrespectful to those who died.

 

[Suicide Bobb 5,000+ posts]

They can believe in whatever they want but when it gets to the point that everybody is talking about conspiracies more than honoring all the victims of that day I find it disrespectful. I feel the best thing we can do is honor all those people, not fuss and debate over some conspiracy.

I still think you are missing the point. We arent just gunna spend all our time focusing on those who died. That was something we did back when the incident happened. It's ten years later, it's time we uncover the TRUTH

 

[Suicide Bobb 5,000+ posts]

I for one, as stated before, am a TRUTH SEEKER, not a troll, or someone trying to instill fear upon the American public. I want to know who was to blame for the wtc incident, and I want that conclusion to be backed up with facts. The past has proven the government is untrustworthy under many circumstances, and with so many inconsistencies as this incident unveiled, I have reason to doubt. The public deserves to know the truth, so that we can properly honor those who died there, and so that we can either question or further our support for our country.

Lazy, imagine that a family member of yours was killed. Someone was deemed the culprit, but things dont add up. You begin to think that someone else was responsible for the murder of said family member. Do you think it is disrespectful to your deceased family member if you take action to find out the truth? Same situation, only on a smaller scale. The truth needs to be revealed so justice can be served.

 

[Suicide Bobb 5,000+ posts]

Sorry about the posts where I just reiterated what Holic said. I sent the posts before I read his.

 

[schackel 10+ year member]

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