10's or 8's...worried about low end.

[cotjones 10+ year member]

Explain how it isn't capable of playing 20 Hz or lower ? Where's that proof ?
A speaker is nothing more than an electromechanical device (like an oscillator) that responds directly to the input voltage. Distortion occurs when the speaker exceeds the mechanical or electrical limits of its design. NEITHER FORM OF DISTORTION RELATES TO SPEAKER SIZE.

If you send a speaker a 20 Hz tone and it remains within the limits of its design, it will play it without audible distortion, regardless of its cone area.

If you don't understand that, I can't help you.

i think it's rediculous to say a speaker CAN'T play a 20 hz tone but how well it does it is the question...

lets use the 20 hz example... the sub has such a low Sd that it takes an extreme amount of xmax to get much sound out of it at this frequency, but this guy saying that 8's CAN'T hit lows really has never heard stuff like the 8w7...

reallisticly though 20 hz is barely audible i have no idea why you would want even 15's to hit it

 

[casper97ta 10+ year member]

Here's why http://www.answers.com/topic/subwoofer?cat=technology. And to further prove my statements http://www.velodyne.com/products/specs/cht_r.html Velodyne is one of the best subwoofer suppliers in the world. The specs continue to prove beyond a resonable doubt, that 8" subs DO NOT go as low as larger subs. I thank Immacomputer, because unlike the rest of you with nothing more than your words and your flames, he is showing me speakers, facts not like I said I knew it all, or I was right and you were wrong. I said I have not heard an 8" sub go that low. And I asked for someone to name one. Out flew the most popular brands and the specs stating 32Hz as the lowest. The Dayton RSS210HF-4 8" Reference HF Subwoofer 4 Ohm at least gets to 27 Hz. So stop with the name calling, childish net thugs do not move me, and show me proof. Not theory, although with enough drivers even 2" speakers can give a full range, just not as accurate as larger speakers can. I know that, I want reality to set in. You say it's common sense, then why is there no picture of an 8" sub at 20 Hz. You have said over and over it is easily done, now show me. Or like the frauds you are beginning to sound like shut up and let a real person with knowledge answer me. I have said repeatedly, I don't think it cannot be done. I just haven't seen it. Thank you.

Oh my god you fucking ignorant tool, FS IS NOT HOW LOW THE SPEAKER CAN PLAY... I give up. There is no hope for you. You refuse to listen to actual fact and intelligent explanations of how your logic is flawed. You have to be related to cockjones

 

[RedStangHappy 10+ year member]

As i said in the beginning....I haven't heard it cleanly. Meaning without distortion. As for the why, there is no reason beyond sound quality. The cleaner the system sounds the better it will sound. And you are absolutely right I haven't heard the JL's in a proper setting to say they can't. Never said they couldn't, just don't think that 8" subs can get as low as larger ones. And that was why I asked someone to show me a situation where they did.

 

[FAMOUS fR!k 10+ year member]

im sellin my 1 12 audiobahn immortal n im tryin to decide whethr or not to get 8 re's 8s or get 4 re se 10s

im not gettn the 12 b/c everybody has 2 12s i want sumthing crazier

fR!K

 

[RedStangHappy 10+ year member]

I knew you were gonna reply, with the m ost innane and sTUPID thing you could come up with. Idiots and forums come dime a dozen and your opinion is worth a dollar twenty.

 

[RAM_Designs 5,000+ posts]

Here's why http://www.answers.com/topic/subwoofer?cat=technology. And to further prove my statements http://www.velodyne.com/products/specs/cht_r.html Velodyne is one of the best subwoofer suppliers in the world. The specs continue to prove beyond a resonable doubt, that 8" subs DO NOT go as low as larger subs. I thank Immacomputer, because unlike the rest of you with nothing more than your words and your flames, he is showing me speakers, facts not like I said I knew it all, or I was right and you were wrong. I said I have not heard an 8" sub go that low. And I asked for someone to name one. Out flew the most popular brands and the specs stating 32Hz as the lowest. The Dayton RSS210HF-4 8" Reference HF Subwoofer 4 Ohm at least gets to 27 Hz. So stop with the name calling, childish net thugs do not move me, and show me proof. Not theory, although with enough drivers even 2" speakers can give a full range, just not as accurate as larger speakers can. I know that, I want reality to set in. You say it's common sense, then why is there no picture of an 8" sub at 20 Hz. You have said over and over it is easily done, now show me. Or like the frauds you are beginning to sound like shut up and let a real person with knowledge answer me. I have said repeatedly, I don't think it cannot be done. I just haven't seen it. Thank you.

You're still missing the point, but thanks for playing. I've got 10 RE8's sitting at my house. I'll throw them in a large sealed box this weekend and have them hammer a 20hz tone like there's no tomorrow....and of course send you a vid, just for you, via PM.

 

[cotjones 10+ year member]

Here's why http://www.answers.com/topic/subwoofer?cat=technology. And to further prove my statements http://www.velodyne.com/products/specs/cht_r.html Velodyne is one of the best subwoofer suppliers in the world. The specs continue to prove beyond a resonable doubt, that 8" subs DO NOT go as low as larger subs. I thank Immacomputer, because unlike the rest of you with nothing more than your words and your flames, he is showing me speakers, facts not like I said I knew it all, or I was right and you were wrong. I said I have not heard an 8" sub go that low. And I asked for someone to name one. Out flew the most popular brands and the specs stating 32Hz as the lowest. The Dayton RSS210HF-4 8" Reference HF Subwoofer 4 Ohm at least gets to 27 Hz. So stop with the name calling, childish net thugs do not move me, and show me proof. Not theory, although with enough drivers even 2" speakers can give a full range, just not as accurate as larger speakers can. I know that, I want reality to set in. You say it's common sense, then why is there no picture of an 8" sub at 20 Hz. You have said over and over it is easily done, now show me. Or like the frauds you are beginning to sound like shut up and let a real person with knowledge answer me. I have said repeatedly, I don't think it cannot be done. I just haven't seen it. Thank you.

and just so you know, technically... all speakers can play all frequencies...

a manufactured "frequency range" is generally a guidline for use resulting in a reasonably flat responce per particular sub

yes a sub CAN play below and above frequency range, but it won't do it with as good of a performance

 

[RedStangHappy 10+ year member]

You know that WOULD answer my question if you only used four. My question was just to see it.

 

[RAM_Designs 5,000+ posts]

I knew you were gonna reply, with the m ost innane and sTUPID thing you could come up with. Idiots and forums come dime a dozen and your opinion is worth a dollar twenty.

You've shown time and time again that you have no idea how speakers actually work, or even what the t/s parameters stand for/mean. It's impossible to try and explain it to you as you're not soaking any of it up.

For you to say that the fs is as low as the speaker can play makes me wonder if you're one of those "special" children.

 

[RedStangHappy 10+ year member]

Jesus Cot....did you skip over words? I said that like twenty times. I also said I know it SHOULD be possible like three pages ago, I just haven't seen it.

 

[RAM_Designs 5,000+ posts]

You know that WOULD answer my question if you only used four. My question was just to see it.

Well I just finished a ported box for 4 of them...

It's tuned to 39-40hz, so definitely not built for going

 

[RedStangHappy 10+ year member]

So you say this to back up from proving your point again hunh?

 

[RAM_Designs 5,000+ posts]

So you say this to back up from proving your point again hunh?

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When did I back up from proving my point???...//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wow.gif.23d729408e9177caa2a0ed6a2ba6588e.gif

 

[cotjones 10+ year member]

You're still missing the point, but thanks for playing. I've got 10 RE8's sitting at my house. I'll throw them in a large sealed box this weekend and have them hammer a 20hz tone like there's no tomorrow....and of course send you a vid, just for you, via PM.

wow i'm way to lazy to do something like that... but other dude you are absolutly right... an 8 can't play as low as a 15, but guess what?

an 8 can't play as high as a 15 either...

when it comes down to it if you can match the surface area and excursion product(air discplacement) of x number of 8's to y number of 15's then performance would be fairly comprable...

my point is that it in most circumstances seems extremely impractical...

why run 10 8's at 5000 watts instead of like 2 15's at 2000 watts? if it would give the same performance

 

[duece212 5,000+ posts]

I seriously cannot believe this lame *** thread is still thriving, beating a dead horse now...some people's stupidity doesn't warrant your attempts to edumacate them. Its just not worth it.