ZED says running @ 1 ohm is dumb

[nastyaudioman 10+ year member]

None of my comments touched on, or even implied anything to do with damping factor. Damping factor is an outside factor not being discussed in this thread. Zed's comments were based solely on power output in watts as related to impedance, and the corresponding db increase/decrease. Hence, my comments were based on the same factors. Look at my conclusions if you dont believe me, I clearly was talking about power output, and headroom to handle dynamic signal variation... nothing to do with damping factor in any way.
And, you can say 'dramatically reduced' by halving impedance, but so long as the damping factor remains within an acceptable level, as one would assume based on running an amp at an impedance it was designed to handle, your damping factor addition to the discussion really is just a hypothetical assuming the worst case scenario (that the amp will dip below an acceptable damping factor when driven to 2ohms or 1ohm versus 4ohms). If we are going to assume the amplifier will have poor damping at an impedance its rated to handle, why not carry your assumption further, and suggest the amp will display poor damping even at 4ohms? Should we start a thread stating that since going from 4ohms to 8 will double damping factor, that its stupid to run at 4ohms? There is nothing magical about 4ohms in terms of amplifier design. If a company designs an amp that is stable to .25ohms, for example, should we still assume anything below 4ohms will display poor damping abilities? No.

You left your statement open, and with that it was incorrect.

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

You left your statement open, and with that it was incorrect.

By not discussing damping factor, I left my comment open to pertaining to damping factor? Interesting logic. The truth is you claimed my statement was incorrect based on a factor irrelevant to anything I said. Or that Zed said. And again, unless someone can show us where 4ohms gives the ideal damping factor for all amplifiers, and anything below that gives an audible damping problem, even your outside factor is based on flawed logic.

 

[gunz4me2 10+ year member]

Sorry, but it is my opinion that Damping Factor is a USELESS number printed on a piece of paper that is useful for marketing purposes only in car audio. As long as it is greater than 50, most will NOT hear a difference! Case and point: audiophiles with their beloved tube amplifiers that have SINGLE digit damping factor ratings.

 

[RJesus 10+ year member]

Sorry, but it is my opinion that Damping Factor is a USELESS number printed on a piece of paper that is useful for marketing purposes only in car audio. As long as it is greater than 50, most will NOT hear a difference! Case and point: audiophiles with their beloved tube amplifiers that have SINGLE digit damping factor ratings.

A low dampening factor could cause harm to the subs suspension, right?

below a box's tuning point, there is virtually 0 dampening factor created by the enclosure (or so I've heard), so it would be relying on the amps dampening + the subs suspension, right?

 

[RJesus 10+ year member]

Is there a better 2ch amplifier available for less $$$ than zed's new kronos?

"better" meaning having a combination of better sound/more efficient/etc.

that refers to using it as a 2ch amp for comps or mid bass

is there a better amp for sub purposes? (in reference to bridging the kronos to 1000w @ 4 ohm (which gets split into 2 ohms)

 

[hornedfrog1985 5,000+ posts]

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[SicAudio 5,000+ posts]

hornedfrog1985 is a noob poor little girl got butt hurt....oh wait thats daddy that is hurting her butt.....

 

[RJesus 10+ year member]

sicaudio is ghey.

if this is all that this thread had accomplished, then I discern that it has been a success.

 

[RJesus 10+ year member]

I sent lincolntc690 $$ and a lesser hu for his alpine 9887 in november, and I still don't have the 9887.

he said he had 12 hour shifts for work and couldn't ship, then he said he got h1n1 and has been too sick to ship.

wtf?

 

[SicAudio 5,000+ posts]

what exactly is ghey? you afraid to actually type it out? it is spelled gay

 

[PIITB Wut Wut 10+ year member]

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[97gp 5,000+ posts]

Im on audioholics team and everyone else is ghey.

 

[Shinju 10+ year member]

It'll take a Kronos for 250.00 shipped!

 

[corrie32 10+ year member]

i dont really care either way on the argument, tho i tend to agree with Penn solely based on the fact that Stephen Mantz has done more for car audio singlehanded than any 1 company has. I think I will trust a 40 year veteran over a post in a thread tyvm //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif
when any of you can even design an amp that is marketable to the masses lemme know and i might listen to you. until then it is just your opinion or interpretation of a written form of a law or theory. thats why HIL is a "theory" not a proven fact. look what happened with e=mc2 hmmm didnt it get disproved this last decade? oh yeah thats right it was a theory too, not a fact just and educated guess for now //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

i agree with you on this, you got all these cats on here who thinks they know more than a guy who has been in the game longer than some have been alive. i'm like you. i would take his word on amps before any of these idiots on here. they talk good, but have nothing to prove what they're saying. to the guys that's talking about full range class D, i would take a Zed made full range class D before i get one of those overseas full range Class D. the man had worked all the bugs out of it. Go back and read the history of Zed Audio, and go and read the history of the amp makers that you're runing in your car today. most are just copy-cat technology. anybody can order up a couple of Zenon boards and slap a name on it. Instead Zed designs and makes his own brand of amps. how many of you have made you're own amp.

 

[gunz4me2 10+ year member]

A low dampening factor could cause harm to the subs suspension, right?
below a box's tuning point, there is virtually 0 dampening factor created by the enclosure (or so I've heard), so it would be relying on the amps dampening + the subs suspension, right?

You are another victim of car audio marketing hype if you think that damping factor has ANYTHING to do with cone control on modern day subwoofer suspensions that utilize up to FOUR spiders.