WTF-This guy is done

[Moble Enclosurs 10+ year member]

It is personal, not political for me. I hate politics and I hate what we have done so far to obtain the little freedom we have. We do not decide to go to war, we just follow orders. If you join the military to go to war, then you may want to re-plan your strategy. But if you join because there is a real freedom in it, something beyond the capability of the rest of the world-that we are a family of our own and we protect one another just as the world should, then you understand the reason for our service.

If you are surrounded by fire, and the only way out is through the window, jump through the **** window. The world and politics are the fire, and the military is the window. You cannot possibly understand it by staying in the fire. Do you know what is beyond the window? No. But it sure as hell is better than being burned alive and not doing anything about it to survive.

 

[MisterDeadeye 10+ year member]

As much as I agree that we went to war for wrong reasons, or for any reason at that, you need to understand the purpose of why people do join the military in the first place, some of which I doubt you could understand. I get that what you are saying is not personal, and to me, it seems more directed towards the government and politics, but implying that we join to kill people or to be on the side of government or politics is very offensive. It just so happens that what we do for a living, for which anyone should be proud of, is for the core of what america should stand for. Not for what is has became. It is because of politics that we are no different than any other species on this planet (with the exception of having opposable thumbs), our intelligence to survive is no different than any other mammal or animal in this world, and I'm not sure it should be. We just have the ability to express it more freely than say, endangered animals. It's what God gave us that became the reason why we are what we are and we do what we do. Even from the beginning, Adam was scared to be seen *****, and America(which I would appreciate if you spelled it correctly next time) is no different-fear drives this world. It's why we can walk down the street and not look at the person apssing us, in which we assume he might try to kill us. It's called survival-we just have different means of dealing with it. Your rant about politics and such is common and has been brought around the internet for many years. WIll it change the government? likely no. Is it true to say that we, as a country is confused of our freedom these days and how to obtain it? Yes, but the connection you make to someone "political" who only does what they do for money, to someone who wants to fight for ability to live another day is very disturbing. Do we want to kill others? Not at all. Is it safe to know how? Yes. Should we be blamed for anything the government does? **** no. Don't come on here with the assumption that people like me have any other connection to the military than it being a job, which so happens to be run by pretty crooked people. it's not about pay, it's not about respect. I do not care to be applauded for what I have done. I have to deal with it everyday, Don't dare ******* tell me what I did to survive was immoral or political. I chose the military for education and to get away from my father that was going to try to kill me anyway. I did it not for my country, or for my family, or firends....only for myself. For my ability to be free. And many others in the service now days are no different than myself. Do I feel bad for the killing? Of course, I think overall we should be one world, not one nation alone. But war is war and just like the rest of society, it is always about survival. Just different and more difficult terms. When two animals get into a fight, do you think they care about anything but survival? it will never be political for me or about the money. it was always for a purpose, and you will never understand what that purpose is. And it has no connection to the government. The force of our military, for the most part, is a single force who protect each other. The rest of the world should learn from that. If someone dies on the street, how many people care who they were or what they have done in their lives but the ones they know? In the service, we all matter. In the civilian world, it should be the same.... respect and honor and living together to protect what we are, not what we do or who we get paid from.

Woah, woah, woah. I wasn't trying to offend you, and I even mentioned that I knew it was probably just a job for you. I wasn't assuming you wanted to kill people or were "in the know" with the government. I know modern life is hell for most people -- I don't have a job, my mom is slowly dying while taking multiple pharmaceuticals a day furthering her condition, and I haven't had a healthy relationship with ANYONE in my family since I was eight years old. I'm not trying to disrespect you specifically, or your choices. If anything, I assumed you were like the majority of America watching CNN and Fox News every night and worrying about their rent and bills. They don't realize what America as a country is doing because of the state we're all in.

For assuming that, I apologize. And I'm glad you agree with some of my points and understand what these politicians and businessmen are forcing Americans like you and I to do. I know my stances won't change the way the government works, but I'm just trying to spread awareness as much as possible, so more and more people start to see how corrupt the world is.

At the same time though, you can't deny that the armed services to which you laid your trust in have corrupt leaders with their own agendas, along with many other troops at various levels throughout the military with similar views. I know a lot of people from around here. Midwest; Nebraska specifically -- we're known for being very racist and hateful. It's true for the most part. I can't count the number of times I hear a six letter word beginning with "n", and other derogatory terms for various different religious, racial, and sexually oriented peoples.

I don't have anything to discuss regarding the religious statements -- I'm not affiliated with any organized religion, but I'm somewhat aware(not much at all, though. Never went to church as a youngster) of the general Bible story. Like I said before, I'm not trying to disrespect you, and I don't have any animosity toward your beliefs.

I've been interested in guns and weapons in general for a long time, and would do a lot to learn a lot of the things the military can teach people. Being able to survive and defend yourself are two of the greatest abilities we as inhabitants of Earth can have. I've got a few survival books lying around, and I've got a mountain bike loaded with Swiss army like gadgets to help in case any kind of war DOES start in my lifetime. There's no reason not to be ready. In fact, I plan to teach myself as much about nature as possible and go out to fend for myself for weekends at a time.

I'm sorry for the original hostility -- it was more aimed at the people I see every day than you.

 

[Moble Enclosurs 10+ year member]

Woah, woah, woah. I wasn't trying to offend you, and I even mentioned that I knew it was probably just a job for you. I wasn't assuming you wanted to kill people or were "in the know" with the government. I know modern life is hell for most people -- I don't have a job, my mom is slowly dying while taking multiple pharmaceuticals a day furthering her condition, and I haven't had a healthy relationship with ANYONE in my family since I was eight years old. I'm not trying to disrespect you specifically, or your choices. If anything, I assumed you were like the majority of America watching CNN and Fox News every night and worrying about their rent and bills. They don't realize what America as a country is doing because of the state we're all in.
For assuming that, I apologize. And I'm glad you agree with some of my points and understand what these politicians and businessmen are forcing Americans like you and I to do. I know my stances won't change the way the government works, but I'm just trying to spread awareness as much as possible, so more and more people start to see how corrupt the world is.

At the same time though, you can't deny that the armed services to which you laid your trust in have corrupt leaders with their own agendas, along with many other troops at various levels throughout the military with similar views. I know a lot of people from around here. Midwest; Nebraska specifically -- we're known for being very racist and hateful. It's true for the most part. I can't count the number of times I hear a six letter word beginning with "n", and other derogatory terms for various different religious, racial, and sexually oriented peoples.

I don't have anything to discuss regarding the religious statements -- I'm not affiliated with any organized religion, but I'm somewhat aware(not much at all, though. Never went to church as a youngster) of the general Bible story. Like I said before, I'm not trying to disrespect you, and I don't have any animosity toward your beliefs.

I've been interested in guns and weapons in general for a long time, and would do a lot to learn a lot of the things the military can teach people. Being able to survive and defend yourself are two of the greatest abilities we as inhabitants of Earth can have. I've got a few survival books lying around, and I've got a mountain bike loaded with Swiss army like gadgets to help in case any kind of war DOES start in my lifetime. There's no reason not to be ready. In fact, I plan to teach myself as much about nature as possible and go out to fend for myself for weekends at a time.

I'm sorry for the original hostility -- it was more aimed at the people I see every day than you.

I know, and I am sorry for getting too worked up for that as well. The thing is, I think we agree on what we believe about the government, and unfortunately it is very true. To me, I see NO connection at all to it and what I did, though the orders were direct (some of which we were not even allowed to understand fully). And that is the problem that we can both agree on. That the purpose of our service is being used for other reasons. It is terrible, it really is. So, I see now more of what you are trying to say. You seem like a very understanding and peaceful person yourself....for that thank you. We need more people to understand the real reasons of our deplyments abroad, and personally, though I am thankful for what I joined for, I do not liek what I have done. I want to braek down and blame myself sometimes, but then I realize that my purpose is much different than those that controlled me. But the good part is, my family was taken care of, and I as well. When you go to the military housing or bases, it is so much better than walking down the streets of my town-or any town that I have visited or lived in thus far.

Now, regarding the topic, I do not hate those that try to make a living, but do (now that you see the purpose of my services) dislike what is said and done to get there. It is people like this that make us fight. People that have more than most, that brag about it and take advantage of it. Terribly, they have a right to do it. Should a 21 year old bother me about what they say, or anyone for that matter? No, no physical harm has been done, everything is really fine. But for the concious of humanity and what I stand for, as well as others, this cannot be ignored. A lot of time and thought was put into what he did, he didn't slip up at the mouth at a conference or something, but again, I think he might have said it because he too might hate that we are at war...possibly? I am not sure, but the words as they were said, first was directed to the wrong part of the government, second, should not have been said in the first place, the way it was. Even at 21, the professionalism, especially for how sensitive the world is to war, and ironically the time it was said (close to 911), many of us assume he means harm. I think he should explain why he said it, without bullshitting us. Personally, I can obviously live on with this being said, but still feel some hatred was involved, maybe based on confusion of what we stand for vs what we do. A lot will be said about this, and maybe he can figure a way to fix it. Let's hope.

 

[MisterDeadeye 10+ year member]

I think it was more that he's a little naive, and doesn't know who to blame. I do think he dislikes the war based on other parts of his lyrics along with what was quoted in the article you linked to. Honestly, as I listen to it more, it kind of sounds like he thinks that servicemen and women like yourself don't know what's going on, and doesn't realize that for a lot of you, the truth is completely opposite.

Like we've already established though, he's young and stupid(hell... I'M young, but still don't know if I'm stupid). Maybe he or his producers were trying to think of a way to gain more publicity. For a rapper, any publicity is good publicity. Most of them are known for being gangster, and being anti-America probably helps give him more credibility in the rap scene. I don't think he really means harm to the people who devote their lives and bodies to what they think is right for the country.

As an intelligent person, you've got to understand that as long as there is a large military force driving America to destruction, there will be angry people, and some of them won't understand the situation fully. Most of them don't recognize the need for necessary evil(I'm referring to this on an individual basis -- the necessary evil of joining the services in this day and age). There's also the fact that older, conservative folks tend to be for the war on terror, and the war on drugs, and the war on anything that seems to threaten their perception of America. He's trying to play into that, and you spreading his video around in the name of hate(which you shouldn't do, by the way. Shame on you.) just helps get him bigger.

 

[Moble Enclosurs 10+ year member]

I think it was more that he's a little naive, and doesn't know who to blame. I do think he dislikes the war based on other parts of his lyrics along with what was quoted in the article you linked to. Honestly, as I listen to it more, it kind of sounds like he thinks that servicemen and women like yourself don't know what's going on, and doesn't realize that for a lot of you, the truth is completely opposite.
Like we've already established though, he's young and stupid(hell... I'M young, but still don't know if I'm stupid). Maybe he or his producers were trying to think of a way to gain more publicity. For a rapper, any publicity is good publicity. Most of them are known for being gangster, and being anti-America probably helps give him more credibility in the rap scene. I don't think he really means harm to the people who devote their lives and bodies to what they think is right for the country.

As an intelligent person, you've got to understand that as long as there is a large military force driving America to destruction, there will be angry people, and some of them won't understand the situation fully. Most of them don't recognize the need for necessary evil(I'm referring to this on an individual basis -- the necessary evil of joining the services in this day and age). There's also the fact that older, conservative folks tend to be for the war on terror, and the war on drugs, and the war on anything that seems to threaten their perception of America. He's trying to play into that, and you spreading his video around in the name of hate(which you shouldn't do, by the way. Shame on you.) just helps get him bigger.

Ironically enough, spreading hate is what he was doing, so shame on him, yet you protect that? But do not protect my reasoning? I am quite confused of your reason here. Pretty hypocritical to me it seems, and possibly bias in some sort of fashion. Those that have seen the video and heard of this controversy into play, agree with my reasoning, so him getting bigger is very unlikely. Well known? Well, wasn't he already? Should there be a thrive for another million people to "know" who you are? And if so, wouldn't you want to influence the positive way to get them involved in your fame? Everyone knew who Saddam was, but do you think that mattered to the people in a positive way? Or for him for that matter? Knowledge of a person does not make them redeemable for their actions. Also, I do not think my thread made much of an impact on what was already out there anyhow (that is besides the point but still credible).

The fact is, the words, as they were put together, had an obvious point that was unfortunately "assumed" by the people to be what we still do not know or may never know (since he is now taking beef for it) if it was plausibly correct. Anyone can talk their way out of death, but it does matter that the person who holds the key to your life is reasonable. And people as a whole are far from reasonable, sad as it may be.

I do not think I should be ashamed for posting the thread or feeling the way I do. Anyone who says **** the army in the terminology that he used following that he will still "be on top" and let the rest of us kill each other, is saying they do not care about you. Simply put. He did not say **** you to an individual of the service, but the service as a whole. So, though I agree that it was not personal, how could it not be on the part of those who are put into that category? It is because he is well known that this became an issue. it is the way we see him as a professional that this became a big deal, not the way I perceive it-as just another pissed off veteran. It is not personal to someone who is not connected to the side that is being fucked in this case. How could the understanding of that be to someone never in that situation? The ignorance is clear of the reason why so many people are upset. It's lack of credibility and the fact that those no involved personally can sit back and say what you do. Of course it doesn't affect you with viewpoints of negativity on the nation. Again, should I feel sorry for anything I have done? Absolutely not.

 

[subzero 5,000+ posts]

now has a target on his forehead

 

[Moble Enclosurs 10+ year member]

The sad part is, an an individual, I have specific wants that are much different than anyone else. This holds true for anyone. This is the reason why hatred will always hold over peace. It is not about hating the people around you, or even worrying about anything they are involved in. The fact is, we are selfish. And worrying is what we do. We all tend to want to be important in some manner. I am not sure why this involves anyone but yourself, but the fact is, it does. Why? Because others are what give you the reason to be important. Can't save the world if no one is here to fight its existence. It is always easier to destroy than build, most people say. This is solely based on laziness. A negative quality which we all endure as well. It is those things about us that make us no different than two lions fighting over a meal. The problem is, when is it enough? If both of those lions get some of the meat, that problem is solved but a new one exists.....now, it's about who got more. This is no different than how we try to live. It's a part of life that will always hold true. With this situation, it may have been fame based, it may have been a personal opinion, or whatever it was, it was effective as it was intended to be. The problem now relies on the fact that WHY is he sorry if he did nothing wrong? Was he forced to apologize? We all have choices. If he does not feel like what he said was wrong, or if it wasn't wrong regardless, he apologized. Was it for survival that he apologized? Survival of his career? We all make sacrifices, and this was one of his. So be it if he becomes more well known. It effects my income NONE or my everyday activities NONE, but it does affect my personal opinion of people, and the same is for anyone who assumes, as we all tend to do well. This is the core of why we are afraid of each other...the fact that we know deep down everyone has choices and some of them impact others, and some don't. It's whether it impacts us positively or negatively that shows us what kind of person who really are.

 

[subzero 5,000+ posts]

he appoligized because he realized he is an idiot? doesnt want negative vibe to ruin his reputation, He probably got allot of shit from people close to him.

in other words, this guy is still and idiot for not thinking of consequences and taking them seriously until the dark cloud looms over his stupid ass.

 

[slammedincouch 10+ year member]

I was gunna say something but it get me ban hammer bammer bammer

fixed

 

[brodeisel 10+ year member]

**** the long post i read like 3 of them and my head hurts. Just lets say this person sux. Needs some explaining to do. Hope he never writes another song.

 

[silvercookie 5,000+ posts]

And this is why religious topics and politics should be kept off the forums.

 

[Moble Enclosurs 10+ year member]

I think it was more that he's a little naive, and doesn't know who to blame. I do think he dislikes the war based on other parts of his lyrics along with what was quoted in the article you linked to. Honestly, as I listen to it more, it kind of sounds like he thinks that servicemen and women like yourself don't know what's going on, and doesn't realize that for a lot of you, the truth is completely opposite.
Like we've already established though, he's young and stupid(hell... I'M young, but still don't know if I'm stupid). Maybe he or his producers were trying to think of a way to gain more publicity. For a rapper, any publicity is good publicity. Most of them are known for being gangster, and being anti-America probably helps give him more credibility in the rap scene. I don't think he really means harm to the people who devote their lives and bodies to what they think is right for the country.

As an intelligent person, you've got to understand that as long as there is a large military force driving America to destruction, there will be angry people, and some of them won't understand the situation fully. Most of them don't recognize the need for necessary evil(I'm referring to this on an individual basis -- the necessary evil of joining the services in this day and age). There's also the fact that older, conservative folks tend to be for the war on terror, and the war on drugs, and the war on anything that seems to threaten their perception of America. He's trying to play into that, and you spreading his video around in the name of hate(which you shouldn't do, by the way. Shame on you.) just helps get him bigger.

Not to mention that spreading is fame is the least of my worries. I care not what he does with his life. As a professional, I should disregard what he says and move on, but as a veteran (you will NEVER understand it), I am upset and have every right to be, just as he does to make a video on his beliefs. Please, do not feel the need to defend him. It is worthless at this point. And if you want to defend his "purpose" over my service, even after understanding my viewpoints and their credibility, you have issues. Hell, everyone has issues, but it's people like you that make it worse, when they are pointed out by someone who is no different. If put in a cage for survival, what would you do? Die? Fight? That is not a choice you have in this world. Survival is all we have as a "race" of existence. You can post all you want about how me might have meant something good or something like that, but I'm not sure how it is good to say, "**** the army troops". If he were to say, "**** the government", that would be a different story in my personal opinion and in turn would affect others. Give me the ability to say what I feel without making it as I shouldn't say anything, considering I have all the right in the world to speak my mind for what I have done for you. I think you fail to realize the difference between the two still.

 

[VWBobby 10+ year member]

If you want to understand why pukes like this make it so famous and say this crap at such a young age... Watch videos like these, it explains it all.

THE MUSIC INDUSTRY EXPOSED - References (Part 1/11) - YouTube

Soulja Boy and the illuminati - YouTube

Any musician or celebrity that speaks out about it, gets killed or their career ruined. Tupac, Eazy-E, Michael Jackson, DMX, etc.

Do the research, before you call a BS. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif You will see more and more "Artists" in the coming years say disturbing things... Mainly, Jay-Z, Drake, Rihanna, Kesha and Lady Gaga pukes.

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

If any of this gets deleted, I'm sorry. Audioholic, my apologies for starting something, but as a disable vet, I am very upset about this and have the right to be. I don't believe my comments to be inappropriate for what has been said on here thus far. Do you disagree with me? I think you know me better than that. I am a very professional person. Deleting my previous post, I do not believe was right. Please PM me if there are any issues with this. Thank you.

Your reply was only deleted because it quoted what 'JL Audio' said. Its what he said that was/is against the rules. I have no issues with this thread topic. And if I haven't said it already, thank you for your service to this country in the armed forces.

 

[AlterEgo99 5,000+ posts]

Amen to that. Thank you for your service and it is apparant that this hits home for you. Thanks for the thread, politics or not...I appreciate your opinion on the matter sir. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/imdaman.gif.bc6c552e19aa4ad8c47461144f40eb1a.gif