Wiring W7's Ohm Loads

[Hintzyboy 5,000+ posts]

Hintzyboy, I don't think you are fully understanding what I am saying.
You might personally feel JL is not worth the price when there are competitive products on the market at lower price points. That's fine. That's your personal opinion.

However, to state JL being overpriced is a FACT is simply incorrect. If it was a FACT JL was overpriced, JL would be out of business. Basic business, simple economics. The very fact that they continue to sell a very large quantity of product proves they are priced appropriately for their position in the market. You might not personally like the pricing structure; but your personal opinion is irrelevant to the market as a whole.

Don't confuse your opinion for factual information. The two are not related.

That's your opinion.

Not a fact.

That's your opinion.

Not a fact.

That's your opinion.

Not a fact.

There are plenty of very knowledgeable individuals who purchase JL Audio products who would disagree with you.

That's your opinion.

Not a fact.

There are plenty of very knowledgeable individuals who purchase JL Audio products who would disagree with you.

JL has been around for quite a while, and build a great quality products with great performance and support at a price point that falls within their budget range. Many educated car audio enthusiasts would rather spend a little more on a quality product from a national company that we can be fairly certain will still be around for many years to come, then save a little money and go with a fly-by-night internet operation that might not be around for too much longer.

But, again, regardless of who their customer base is, there is a very large portion of the consumer base who are willing to purchase JL Audio products at their current pricing structure. You might not be one of those, and that's fine...you can have your opinion. But your opinion is not fact. The FACT is that there is a very large portion of the consumer base who are willing to purchase JL Audio products at their current pricing structure. And they are the proof that JL is not overpriced, because if JL being overpriced was a FACT that portion of the customer base would not exist.

JonT already covered why you can't gas prices, a commodity upon which every nation in the industrialized world is completely reliant on, to a luxury item purchased for pure enjoyment purposes.

I understand perfectly well what you are saying. The majority of my statemnts were not opinions, they were logical counclusions. I think that our disagreement stems from a difference in how we define the word "overpriced". When I define the word, value comes into my calculations. If I am comparing two products, and they do not have a significant difference in performance or features, but one cost twice as much, then that product is overpriced in my understanding of the word. I just think it is wrong to say that something can't be overpriced if people continue to pay for it. There are a lot of factors besides pricing that come into play here.

 

[Hintzyboy 5,000+ posts]

Say you happen to buy a honda civic and get it as fast as say a brand new, whatever top of the line mercedes, bmw, porsche, or the like. (very general comparison here) and you think you're getting the same performance for half the cost.While this MIGHT be true, does it make a mercedes? Or a porsche?No it doesn't.Is it better than them because it costs less? No.

False analogies here. You may get the same level of raw performance, but you do not get the same level of comfort, reliability, fit and finish, etc. You are comparing apple to oranges when speaking of a cheap commuter car and a high-end luxury vehicle. Now, if there were a LUXURY CAR, in the same market segment as a Mercedes, but the Benz cost significantly more without a significant difference in performance, refinement, build quality, etc., then I would consider the Benz overpriced. When speaking of JL products, there are several options within the same market that offer comparable levels of performance and features for less money.

 

[BlackMaxima 10+ year member]

all this started couse i said

JL Audio is overpriced

wasnt this tread about Wiring W7's Ohm Loads ??

do i think JL overprised?? yes ( my opinion)

is JL expensive??? yes

do they have a targeted audience?? yes

do this targeted audience know there are alternatives?? with equal or better performance that cost less ??

 

[BlackMaxima 10+ year member]

i think you guys are confusing overpriced with expensive...
i can buy a corvette Z06 for much less than a ferrari. when i take them to the track they will put up similar numbers. but that doesn't mean the ferrari is overpriced, it's just expensive //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

and yeah, i got my JL used cuz i wasn't going to pay full price for it. but ya know what? the sub kicks *** and thats all that counts.

good point.

overpriced vs expensive

 

[JonJT 10+ year member]

If you can find me a sub, half the price of the 12" w7 (About $400-$500) AUTHORIZED BRAND NEW, made by a manufacturer that has been around longer than five years, that'll get just as loud, if not louder off of the same power, available to anyone who wants it anytime, work in the same size or smaller boxes (manufacturer recommended), backed with good customer service, and of the same quality I will admit I am wrong.I didn't list SQ because that is very subjective.

Try looking at the Sound Splinter RL-s 15.

 

[Pyro_By_Nature 5,000+ posts]

Try looking at the Sound Splinter RL-s 15.

LOL, are you kidding me?A few things, they're the complete opposite of what I said.They need quite a bit of power to reach full potential, and they need huge boxes.And they do not go for $250 BNIB with warranty. . . . BTW: I said 12".

 

[adam71 5,000+ posts]

IMHO JL is worth half of the retail price. Their marketing sells most of their products and without they wouldn't sell much and go belly up. Nuff said. Good products or not, marketing and reputation are what sell.

 

[Pyro_By_Nature 5,000+ posts]

IMHO JL is worth half of the retail price. Their marketing sells most of their products and without they wouldn't sell much and go belly up. Nuff said. Good products or not, marketing and reputation are what sell.

Yes, and to get that reputation they've been pouring out crappy products this whole time //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif Open your eyes and you'll see they offer a quality prodct.

 

[adam71 5,000+ posts]

Yes, and to get that reputation they've been pouring out crappy products this whole time //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif Open your eyes and you'll see they offer a quality prodct.

Just in case you're not up to date on internet lingo, IMHO means: In My Humble Opinion. I am entitled to that aren't I ??//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif

Also, when did I say they didn't offer a quality product?? I didn't say that did I?? Remove your foot from your mouth and think before you speak. I just said that "in my opinion" their products were worth about half of what they retail for.

kthxbye

fanbois are quite hilarious:laugh:

 

[squeak9798 5,000+ posts]

I understand perfectly well what you are saying. The majority of my statemnts were not opinions, they were logical counclusions.

Based on your opinions //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

I think that our disagreement stems from a difference in how we define the word "overpriced". When I define the word, value comes into my calculations. If I am comparing two products, and they do not have a significant difference in performance or features, but one cost twice as much, then that product is overpriced in my understanding of the word.

And many people find value in purchasing JL Audio products. You might not, and that's fine....that's your opinion. But there are plenty of people who DO find the value in such. Otherwise, they wouldn't be paying the prices.

I just think it is wrong to say that something can't be overpriced if people continue to pay for it.

For luxury items like car audio; Yeah, it pretty much sums it up from a business and economics point of view. If the consumer does not see the value in the price tag, they will not purchase the items for the prices they are available at.

Here is a good, real life example of this exact issue;

http://www.diymobileaudio.com/forum/showpost.php?p=48297&postcount=31

(OldOneEye works for Sounddomain, for reference)

What happened to Blau when they overpriced their amplifiers, and the general consumer base did not see the value in the product at the pricing structure they had established? They didn't sell the product.

YOU might not personally feel the product is worth it...but that doesn't make it fact, as the larger consumer base as a whole is telling a different tale.

Would I purchase a JL Audio product? If someone were to offer me a 13w6v2 at a really great price I wouldn't turn it down //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif But at retail prices you won't see one in my vehicle. Why? It's not worth it to me. But obviously there are plenty of other people who feel otherwise; thus my opinion is not a fact.

 

[Pyro_By_Nature 5,000+ posts]

Just in case you're not up to date on internet lingo, IMHO means: In My Humble Opinion. I am entitled to that aren't I ??//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif
Also, when did I say they didn't offer a quality product?? I didn't say that did I?? Remove your foot from your mouth and think before you speak. I just said that "in my opinion" their products were worth about half of what they retail for.

kthxbye

fanbois are quite hilarious:laugh:

I was commenting on your "marketing and reputation is what sells" bit.You were saying it like a fact.They got that rep. by putting out great producs. And I'm not a fanboy, far from it.I do not currently own a JL product, and I do not intend on buying any, ever.I'm just not one of those peple that *****es about the price.No one has a gripe with JL except that.

Get off your high horse and remove your head from your ***.

 

[adam71 5,000+ posts]

I was commenting on your "marketing and reputation is what sells" bit.You were saying it like a fact.They got that rep. by putting out great producs. And I'm not a fanboy, far from it.I do not currently own a JL product, and I do not intend on buying any, ever.I'm just not one of those peple that *****es about the price.No one has a gripe with JL except that.
Get off your high horse and remove your head from your ***.

I'll remove my head from my *** as soon as you get done kissing it. The fact is that you assumed I was saying their products sucked when in fact all I was stating was that their prices ****. You're the one that took it the wrong way and attacked me. Not the other way around.

Either way, I will never buy a JL product either. Over rated and overpriced. IN MY OPINION of course.//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

 

[Chode69 10+ year member]

get a RF T10001bd or a JL slash series 1000 watt mono block

 

[IM IN HERE 10+ year member]

Insurance Bought My W7's ..

 

[406er 10+ year member]

they make 1ohm stable amps, when did this happen

oh wait i have one in my truck