Will the plane take off?? Finally going to be answered.***

[GoochJuice]

im not calling everyone else an idiot, just the people who by this point in the conversation still cant figure out whats going on...
you just so happened to fall into that category.

these are the first couple posts i am seeing that are actually clarifying what the myth is...

 

[GoochJuice]

YES I ASSUME THAT THE PLANE IS SUPPOSED TO BE STATIONARY. THAT IS THE POINT. If the plane is allowed to thrust forward, why would there be any question wether it could take off? That defeats the whole purpose of putting it on a treadmill... //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

exactly. why would this even be a myth?

 

[dcole18 5,000+ posts]

i think if the runway was going the same speed as the plane (not how fast the wheels are rolling) then it couldnt possibly take off seeing as it would have no air speed and no lift

but i dont see how they could possibly make a conveyor belt that could keep up with the planes maximum speed (since the plane would constantly speed up in an attempt to get lift untill it reached maximum speed)

so... if they could make a 1/4 mile long conveyor belt than can spin at 300+mph then the plane cant possibly take off

Edit: after thinking about it the conveyor would have to be going incredibly fast (way faster than the plane, i guess exceeding the limit of how fast the wheels could rotate [i assume there is a limit to this because of friction])

but idk, that just my thoughts on it... ill have to think about it later

Edit#2: i guess im trying to say if they could manage to keep the plane stationary then it couldnt possibly take off... but who knows how fast the conveyor belt would have to be moving to make that happen

 

[myvanpounds 10+ year member]

YES I ASSUME THAT THE PLANE IS SUPPOSED TO BE STATIONARY. THAT IS THE POINT. If the plane is allowed to thrust forward, why would there be any question wether it could take off? That defeats the whole purpose of putting it on a treadmill... //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

thats the whole point in which the way the myth is worded, they don't say it is tied down, they simply state it is on a treadmill that can match its indicated airspeed........

think about this

a treadmill would have to inflict an INSANE amount of drag in order to even have an effect on a plane... so much so that the treadmill would have to be moving faster than the planes airspeed, which would be against the myths wording

IN ORDER FOR THE TREADMILL TO GO FASTER OPPOSITE OF THE PLANE THE PLANE MUST GO FORWARD FASTER OPPOSITE OF THE TREADMILL

that is the underliying solution to the myths wording,

think about it.... REALLY HARD

problem solved

 

[hoss 5,000+ posts]

YES I ASSUME THAT THE PLANE IS SUPPOSED TO BE STATIONARY. THAT IS THE POINT. If the plane is allowed to thrust forward, why would there be any question wether it could take off? That defeats the whole purpose of putting it on a treadmill... //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

i have highlited your problem for you //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

if you still dont see why you are retarded, /yourself.

 

[GoochJuice]

this myth sucks.

hey did mythbusters ever do the AC/MPG comparison again after they screwed up the first time?

 

[GoochJuice]

i have highlited your problem for you //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif
if you still dont see why you are retarded, /yourself.

where exactly is the properly worded myth. seems like both sides are assuming something.

 

[hoss 5,000+ posts]

Edit#2: i guess im trying to say if they could manage to keep the plane stationary then it couldnt possibly take off... but who knows how fast the conveyor belt would have to be moving to make that happen

yes, if they could keep the plane stationary, it would be impossible for it to take off.

however, like said before, no matter how fast the treadmill is moving, unless there is another force applied to the airplane, its not going to keep the plane stationary //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[hoss 5,000+ posts]

where exactly is the properly worded myth. seems like both sides are assuming something.

in the very first post... //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif

 

[Mitch86 5,000+ posts]

I understand that a plane will take off if it has forward momentum, which some of you assume it will have...it will fly in that case..

but if I am right in assuming that this whole myth isnt about wether you can go faster in a plane or on a huge treadmill...The ideal situation would be to have the conveyer go as fast as needed to keep the plane from overcomming it. then the plane will remain stationary and not have forward momentum, which it will need to take off.

 

[dcole18 5,000+ posts]

yes, if they could keep the plane stationary, it would be impossible for it to take off.
however, like said before, no matter how fast the treadmill is moving, unless there is another force applied to the airplane, its not going to keep the plane stationary //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

unless they could exceed the rotaing limit of the wheels by making the treadmill move at eleventy billion miles per hour //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/tongue.gif.6130eb82179565f6db8d26d6001dcd24.gif

 

[hoss 5,000+ posts]

I understand that a plane will take off if it has forward momentum, which some of you assume it will have...it will fly in that case..but if I am right in assuming that this whole myth isnt about wether you can go faster in a plane or on a huge treadmill...The ideal situation would be to have the conveyer go as fast as needed to keep the plane from overcomming it. then the plane will remain stationary and not have forward momentum, which it will need to take off.

you still arent understanding it fully mitch... it is completely impossible for a treadmill to stop the forward movement of the plane...

no matter how fast it goes, its not going to happen, unless there is a force (such as a rope/chain/etc, the airplanes wheels brakes being applied...) applied to the airplane itself. think about the way power is applied to an airplane taking off, and how that force is applied.

 

[Mitch86 5,000+ posts]

Btw hoss, there are more idiots on my side of the arguement than yours....check the poll.. You're not the all knowing //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/fyi.gif.9f1f679348da7204ce960cfc74bca8e0.gif

 

[myvanpounds 10+ year member]

I understand that a plane will take off if it has forward momentum, which some of you assume it will have...it will fly in that case..but if I am right in assuming that this whole myth isnt about wether you can go faster in a plane or on a huge treadmill...The ideal situation would be to have the conveyer go as fast as needed to keep the plane from overcomming it. then the plane will remain stationary and not have forward momentum, which it will need to take off.

the treadmill cannot go faster in the opposite direction of the plane

 

[hoss 5,000+ posts]

unless they could exceed the rotaing limit of the wheels by making the treadmill move at eleventy billion miles per hour //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/tongue.gif.6130eb82179565f6db8d26d6001dcd24.gif

a good point to take into consideration.

it could also be affected if the airplane travels at 88 mph at the exact moment lightning strikes the clocktower.